Tech IndustryAug 3, 2022
MicrosoftsigLoti

Apple EPM ICT4 Offer Eval

Got a verbal offer that I think is very low, and would love your take on it and advice on next steps while I wait for them to come back with a better one. Location: Cupertino Base: 190K Bonus target: 10% = 19K Stock: 160K = 40K / year Sign on - wasn't discussed yet --- TC = 249K They claim they currently can't ago above 160K stock (which I think is complete BS, and I wasn't shy about expressing that, politely of course). Current TC (Seattle area): 245K YoE: 10 (5 as HW dev, 5 as PM) After accounting for CA taxes and cost of living difference, this would be around 20% drop in net TC, so obviously out of the question as it is. Thoughts? Is it a crazy lowball or am I exaggerating? What do you think it the actual highest they can get to for base and stock, and also for sign-on (which is yet to be discussed)? Any tips for the next conversation? Additional info: - They said feedback was very good - It's a HW team #apple #pm #epm #offer #tc

NVIDIA bountybug Aug 3, 2022

Engineering pm? Definitely sounds low but I only know of engineering teams compensation based on my prior experience and based on that this is low

Microsoft sigLoti OP Aug 3, 2022

Yes, EPM = Eng PM Thanks

NVIDIA wifi_lover Aug 3, 2022

Ridiculously low for 10 YOE (even 5 if you only count PM experience)

Apple EPM_ Aug 3, 2022

Earlier this year, my offer in the SWE org was 200k. 10%. 240k/4. 40k

Microsoft sigLoti OP Aug 3, 2022

So ~300 TC. Was this the initial offer or after negotiation? Also, mind sharing YoE?

Medallia workDumb Aug 11, 2022

Is this an IC4 offer? How much experience?

Argo AI Vecna11 Aug 3, 2022

@sigLoti they did the same to me... I got a verbal offer which is very close to your offer.. They just offered 160k as RSUs... after talking to my friend, I found out that this amount is really low

Microsoft sigLoti OP Aug 3, 2022

Thanks. Was this recent? Did you try to negotiate?

Argo AI Vecna11 Aug 3, 2022

Yes this was today... Do you mind if I DM you?

Apple SSN1406 Aug 3, 2022

base is ok but otherwise seems low

Argo AI Vecna11 Aug 3, 2022

@SSN1406 are u part of the HW team?

Apple SSN1406 Aug 3, 2022

yes I am

Intel Scooby8 Aug 16, 2022

Are all apple recent offers this low for RSU's? Does it depend on stock value?

Intel kentixp Nov 16, 2023

What happened OP , did you take it ?