Apple ICT5 Level Title

May 21, 2019 25 Comments

I recently got an offer from Apple and recruiter said that the level is ICT5.

On the offer letter they mentioned title as "Senior Software Engineer". I asked the recruiter why not Staff and she said that Apple does not have any formal titles and I can call myself Staff on LinkedIn since that is that it maps to.

I have no formal confirmation that the level they are offering is ICT5 although she has sent me emails saying that it is ICT5.

Is that the way it usually is should I ask them to mention ICT5 on the offer letter?


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TOP 25 Comments
  • You are focusing on the wrong things. Titles don’t mean jack shit here.

    Welcome to Apple :)
    May 21, 2019 3
    • Offer letters do not mention your IC level (at least mine did not).
      Once you get in, you can “see” your IC level in the internal HR account.
      I honestly don’t think you should ask the recruiter to mention ICx on the offer letter, why risk starting off on a bad note.
      May 21, 2019
    • Facebook TDha20
      I definitely don't want start on a sour note hence have not asked this to the recruiter.

      I think I will trust the recruiter on this one since she has been quite explicit about it in emails.

      Thanks again for your inputs!
      May 21, 2019
  • Apple appl3
    Offer numbers and yoe? They can give good insight into whether you were given an ICT5 offer
    May 21, 2019 3
    • Cisco / Eng

      Cisco Eng

      tc or GTFO
      May 21, 2019
    • Apple / Eng UuDq31
      May 21, 2019
  • Apple does not disclose the ICT level in the offer letter; moreover, we don't have titles like Senior or Staff (meaning, when you get promoted, your ICT level changes, but not your title). Congrats on the offer! I guess since you received a written letter, you have already verbally committed to Apple, so welcome to Apple!
    May 21, 2019 1
    • Facebook TDha20
      thank you!
      May 21, 2019
  • Apple Icml2017
    If your offer is E6 level at FB, then it has to be at least ICT5 at Apple. The title in offer letter is quite generic. I am ICT4 and if I remember correctly, the title was Software Engineer in offer letter. If I may ask, which org is this offer from?
    May 21, 2019 5
    • Apple Icml2017
      I haven’t seen ICT4 with 650K TC in my 6 years at Apple (my roles have been ICT4/M1 which are somewhat equivalent in terms of TC). So definitely your case is an outlier. Also with your number of 650K TC (without refreshers), your joining RSUs will be in the order of 400K per year, ie above 1.5 million over 4 years. I haven’t heard that kind of RSUs in Apple at any IC level (don’t know much about ICT6 which are far and few).
      May 22, 2019
    • 650k is impossible
      Sep 16, 2019
  • Apple appl3
    This got me wondering. Does ICT3 map to SWE 2/L4 and ICT2 map to SWE 1/L3 at other places? I have new graduates (BS not MS) on my team who started as ICT3s but that would mean they essentially skipped a level, no?
    May 22, 2019 0
  • Glassdoor qluch
    What's the offer ?
    May 21, 2019 0
  • Lam Research rektkid
    Geez how come 6.5 YOE join as T5? I’m at 8 and joined at T4
    May 21, 2019 2
    • Amazon / Eng

      Amazon Eng

      Hiring in nyc for exciting high visibility project. PM me for deets, esp FAANG people.
      Cuz he came from FB and not Lam Research
      May 22, 2019
    • Lam Research rektkid
      That’s a shit reason . Company does not decide your level
      May 22, 2019
  • Salesforce _dawood
    What was the offer??
    Jan 19 0
  • Apple django5
    What is the offer? Do post the breakdown
    May 23, 2019 0
  • Lam Research rektkid
    What are the annual refreshers for T4 and T5 for meet all ?
    May 23, 2019 0


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