Completed final phone evaluation / design presentation for a Product Design Engineering role on the iPhone / Watch "Home Base" team a few weeks back. Received a verbal offer from recruiter and have a planned follow up call with the recruiter Monday. Feedback from recruiter was positive. Would like to get input from those who are on or have worked on hardware teams at Apple regarding: 1. Is the the offer reasonable for job role? Should I negotiate up? BS ME, 9 YOE, first 3 in semiconductor, remaining at a handful of semiconductor startups and a couple consumer electronic startups. Owned entire mechanical product design at the last two jobs and released prototype builds. No experience with high volume production runs in consumer electronics. Last startup folded, currently taking time off to travel. TC: 175 Base, 160 RSU vest over 4 yrs, 55 Signing Bonus Location: Cupertino 2. Role was originally posted for BS ME 2 yr experience. Seems I am overqualified for the position. Should I expect the workload to be less demanding b/c of this? 3. Any idea what work life balance is like for this group? I've done the grind long enough at startups to know that if the role ends up being an unrelenting 12+ hours of solid design work / vendor management I'm prone to burnout. Not looking to repeat the cycle. Tried to research the interview team and the newest member has been at apple for 3 years, everyone else 5+. No one earlier, which may imply the turnover is high for new hires in the group. 4. How interesting is the work? I'm assuming there will be a lot more vendor management and project management tasks in the role and much less design work / ownership compared to my previous roles at startups. At this point though, I'm looking to optimize for pay, stability, and WLB. Appreciate any input. #engineer #apple #applecareer #applecareers #productdesign
Seems like a weaker offer. I got 198 base / 270k RSUs / 90k signon No competing offers, non swe. Unless they lied, I was told 270k is max RSUs for my discipline (design) for ICT4.
Hmm, recruiter told me 160 is max RSUs for the group I was hiring in to.
What’s your yoe bigboiX?
@bigboiX mind sharing ur yoe and location for the apple offer?
Culver City Yoe: 1 year full time post grad + internships
Are you in hardware ? ME or EE?
Offer seems low relative to the past offers I’ve seen posted on Blind. What was your TC at your previous job?
Previous gig was consulting as a sole proprietorship @ $150 / hr. So, ~300K when working full time. Expenses were low and self employed 401K was a nice perk.
This is a very standard offer for entry-level ICT4 in hardware engineering. Maybe some opportunity to increase your sign on bonus and base. Some of my friends work in audio PD and from my understanding it’s supposed to be 60-70% vendor management than actual core design work. Work life balance won’t be as good but not as bad as your operations counterpart.
Do you know when people post TC here are they including stacked refreshers in the total if they have been at the company already for a few years or are they simply posting their 1st year income before any refreshers take effect?
Depends on posters level of self esteem lol. some people inflate by including stacked, some inflate by stock growth, some do neither
Sounds low
1. Base is ok. They’re shorting you on RSU by a lot based on your YOE. CoL near Apple Park is super high as well. 2/3. That org at Apple is a ton of work. You won’t work less than 50 hours per week. Expect poor WLB and “meat grinder” feel. Attrition is also high in that org especially in the last year. 4. Homebase team is all FPC/flex and PCB design. Lots of interfacing with DFX teams. Not particularly interesting after the first 8-12 months.
Offer seems low. Stay away from PD roles at Apple, they will work you to the bone and make you focus on minute iterative designs. Be expected to work long hours, after all it's Apple and they can get away with it because of the brand.
PD - Product Design or Physical Design?
I agree the offer is quite low. But man PD in Apple is not that bad, and the bonus is good. (at least my experience)
This is a standard hwe ict4 offer. There might be some wiggle room if you negotiate hard.
I think its low for your yoe. With that RSU I you should really ask for bumping up your base and sign on as well. $165 is usually starting base for ICT4
What org is this?
iPhone/Watch - Hardware