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Just got an offer from Apple, you tell me whether you think good or bad, average or low. This is an offer for EPM, he wouldn't tell me a number lvl but said high senior. I have 5 yoe as PM at msft. 180k base 75k sign-on cash 160k RSUs over 4 yrs He said annual rewards are typically 3% merit increase for base 10-12% bonus on base for performance 75k refreshers This puts yr 1 TC at 295k dropping to 263k yr 2 because sign on hits yr 1 only... This seems low to me. I have 160k base and 230k TC at Microsoft right now and based on my calculations, I would need near 250k base and 350k TC just to break even. Offer typical or low? How far can I push him? What is EPM level structure at Apple? He says it doesn't follow the ICT3, ICT4 like is on levels.fyi #apple #compensation #epm
Looks like median for ICT4. Not sure why he said it didn’t follow the same levels.
Hardware/ Software?
Is avg comp different for the two groups?
Mine is for hardware
Location?
Cupertino
If you are comparing Cupertino to Redmond wages, you are much better off in Washington. Apple is very strong in hardware and if that is your expertise they do industry leading work but software is less ‘industry leading’ to put it nicely. Also hr might be lying about levels. EPM can either be PMO or with specific vertical team. Can be very chaotic and execution driven, esp compared to Microsoft. Apple is relatively cheap so don’t count on stories of ‘typical raises’ as your mgr may ‘wait and see’ if you stick around.
Thanks, ya they seem pretty cheap from limited I can see so far
I don’t know how it works for PM’s but the numbers quoted on bonus, refreshers, raise are reasonably accurate. For ICT4 level, 70-110K is the range of RSUs that I have seen for ME review. 10% - 15 is a ballpark for cash bonus and 3-4% is average raise without promotion.
Do you mind revealing review numbers for IC3?
I personally don’t know but from what I have heard the RSU refreshes might be slightly lower (assuming the review is similar) for ICT3. Raise and cash bonus should be similar.
OP did you accept the offer ? What were the final numbers after negotiations?
Remove the fire emoji you twat. It's decent for a Microsoft Feature PM
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