Apple confirms they reclassify all former employees job titles to “Associate” after separating, stripping the employee of whatever title was held. This data is also shared with 3rd party employment history verification services managed by Equifax, Lexis Nexis and others. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/02/10/apple-associate/ What do you think about an employer reclassifying titles to something generic for job verification?
Apple's goal is to be super secretive. But this is a practice that makes employment background checks unnecessarily difficult when ex employees seek new employment.
In practice it means ex-Apple employees can claim whatever title they’d like because background check services cannot verify any title
@aT2d9k in practice, ex-employees are having job offers put on hold as titles can’t be verified by their new employer HR, triggering additional verification and reference checks
what is even an Associate? is it like an apple store Associate?
Just a general term to show you’re associated with the company, as well… an Associate
hmm interesting. I wonder what the purpose of this obscurity is.
I suspect Apple does this to obscure any titles that may reveal secret R&D and future product investments like Apple Car, etc
Definitely this.
Obfuscates job seniority too, likely penalizing your future TC if you chose to leave. A parting gift.
Seems unnecessarily punishing on employees
This has negatively affected exactly zero people. These services are used simply to verify that you were actually an employee from X date to Y date and that’s it. Titles are irrelevant because they aren’t frequently updated or there might be a mismatch in roles (a senior at one company might not be a senior at another company). If there’s a concern or discrepancy, an offer letter or paystub fixes it straight quick.
What's the purpose of this change @zillow if it doesn't have any material impacts
Gonna tell people I was a senior VP at my next job interview
This is the correct answer.
Of course if you get selected for VP interview and can crack interview you deserve it. 😊
I don't normally advocate lying on a resume, but I kind of agree with facemasher here. If they're going to try to gratuitously screw you, turn the tables on them and make it a blessing
Just join Amazon. We do absolutely no job verification whatsoever. (No education verification for L5 SDE-II, either.)
Even during background check?
Correct. There's hardly anything to fill out in the background check form. We do have the background check on a yearly basis at AWS for prod access, however. But no job or education history.
I don’t agree with the secrecy explanation. If you don’t want to reveal sensitive projects, then maybe don’t elude to it in the title? What a wonderful way of screwing your ex employees by throwing a wrench on the background check.
Meanwhile Bloomberg has a flat org structure and no titles, right? 🤣
Don't people get an employment verification letter towards the end of their employment . I always try to get it. Wouldn't that help resolve any background check issues.
No.
What's the purpose of doing this?
To create aggression
Is this rhetorical?