Hey Blinders, I need some suggestions picking an offer, this is for hardware position: (bonus and refreshers included, assuming 3% merit adjustment per year) Google San Diego Tc for 4 years 327/352/333/318 Apple Cupertino Tc for 4 years 412/382/412/443 I do like the team with Google, and I am hoping to get a promotion in 2-3 years, which should bring down the gap a little bit. Suggestions? Current tc 🥜 Yoe 8 #hardware #interview #semiconductor
If these numbers are annual TC numbers based on current stock price, the gap is too big. Unless there are any red flags in Apple, I would take Apple. The pay is better and it is in Cupertino. It is almost always advantageous to be in HQ than in a satellite office. Also, being in Silicon Valley has its own advantages. The next gig, when you are ready for it, will be relatively easier to get as there are generally more companies in the valley. The downside is, Apple has a distinct culture. Very top down. Takes some getting used to and not for everyone.
Thank you for the insights, do you mind explaining more on the top down culture?
ICT5 for 8 YOE? Do you have a PhD? Is this ASIC design or verif? What is Apple’s breakdown? Can I DM you?
I have MS, and I was surprised myself. I can give more details in dm
DM’d!
Can you say what role in HW? Also got ICT5 but much lower TC
It’s HW design
ict5 with 8 years.. man im in the wrong hw dept in apple.
I think you do know what google pays for L6 .. ICT5 not equal to L6 .. ICT 5 can be anywhere from L5 to L6 .. And 8 yrs L4 in google is expected when hired as lateral .. ICT5 in apple for 8 yrs is a great offer and you should pick it
I think the 600k TC was only possible for ICT4 who joined a while back if you count stock appreciation, but once all the grants from 2010s/pre-pandemic start running out, then TC quickly starts to fall back to earth. Without stock appreciation, I’m pretty sure almost no ICT4 actually makes 600k TC.
Sure, but I think it’s still very unlikely for ICT4 to hit $600k (without stock appreciation). Maybe more like $450k with their initial grant plus a couple of refreshers stacked. Although there would usually be a big cliff after the initial grant runs out.
Can you share the nature of the role? Arch/RTL/DV/PD?
It’s hw design
I know folks reaching Google L6 w/ 6-7 yoe. SWE of course. L4 is just too low even for HW.
I think it really depends on the team, I know senior engineer with ~20 yoe got L5. For HW it takes some time to really ramp up.
Congrats on the offers OP. Is google and apple still interviewing? Could you please share your interview and offer timelines for these two companies?
This is a no brainer. Insulting to give L4 from Google.
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Apple ICT5 is like equivalent to Google L6
Yea that I am aware of, I got downleveled by Google but I do really like the team
Sure but in general Apple HW is a bit more advanced than Google HW. Also refreshers are ICT5 should be a lot more than refreshers at L4