I am a new grad PhD. I have an onsite interview with the AWS team for an applied scientist position next week. I have a faculty offer as an Assistant Professor of computer science from a top 30 AI/ML university. I like the applied scientist position more than the faculty position due to the good pay and decent work-life balance. I am evaluating how risky it would be to join AWS now. In terms of immigration, the University is willing to do Eb1b for me. I am Indian, so it may take a few years for Eb1b to be current. On the other hand, my guess is Amazon will also be willing to do Eb1b for me. --------------------- Updates: I'm Indian, to get green card, I have to I have to wait longer. Currently only processing feb 2022 applications --Assistant Professor Pros: 1. Stability in the economy 2. Can get eb1b approved (I'm Indian, to get green card, I have to I have to wait longer. Currently only processing feb 2022 applications) Cons: 1. Terrible work life balance 2. Low pay compared to industry -- Applied scientist AWS Pros: 1. Good pay (compared to academia) 2. Mix of research plus product-based work (I like it ) 3. I think they will do eb1b Cons: 1. May get layed off #machinelearning #newgrad #computerscience #layoffs #professor #AI #Amazon #AWS
AProf role at top 30 uni has higher social status that Amazon applied scientist and zero chance of layoffs. Take the AProf role. 1-2 years, sideways move into industry higher up the totem pole.
Exactly this. @OP become Prof and join at L7 if you don't get tenure and L8 few years later if you do.
The interesting thing: It's so obvious a career move. How could you not get that? Netherless. I see so many people in software/technology screw up their careers. Including me when I graduated. I was so young and so dumb as a new grad when I signed up here. So many software folk don't have the social radar/people skills. So they make mistakes like OP.
I would suggest to take university job over Amazon. I worked at AWS around 4 years and there is no work life balance at all. Again it’s a PIP factory so I wouldn’t recommend you to join Amazon.
Make a poll. I vote university. You have no idea about AWS wlb
Lol, people don't realize how bad WLB is for professors
I suggest you become a professor. after 5 years, you can work for Amazon as a contractor and ask for whatever compensation you want. Win-Win.
Do people do this? My understanding is big tech never, ever, hires contractors for scientist roles. Unwilling to have an external party involved in their competitive advantage.
I think they are talking about the Amazon scholar program that you can go for a year during sabbatical
I would take the professorship. You gotta think long term. I have seen top Ivy PhDs doing not so well after they got promoted to director level. Their career got short. This is before the recent tech surge for the past 5 years which is abnormal and can’t continue. Also you can take leave to work in industry later (have seen a lot) but not vice versa.
Amazon is always risky. PIP risk is greater than layoff risk.
Op when you get opportunity just grab it. Do you really think Amazon file EB1!! Take professor job get your GC
I will argue nobody knows what your WLB will look like you're not high tech you're academia; what you value?... I've worked in high tech 25 years my concept of WLB is completely different to anyone, fyi I like AWS
Amazon routinely files EB1B for people who qualify, not an issue. WLB? I’ve never heard of any applied scientists complain about WLB. I’m one of those people who think Applied scientists get paid more than the ROI they bring, on average they get 15-20% more TC pay than SDE at Amazon.
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Amazon will not file for E1B. I would have considered the university job over Amazon. Much better life. I think you must be daydreaming with Amazon having better WLB
I have not worked at Amazon before. I am assuming the WLB will be at least better than early career faculty position because of teaching, research and monitoring students. I have heard people say Amazon will file eb1b. Any reason it won't?
Amazon files eb1a/eb1b. You need to work with your immigration team. Ask the recruiter. I know of friends who went this route