Amazon vs Boeing Offers
Amazon - SysDevEng L4 120k base 82k signon- 47k / 35k 30 RSU 15k-45k clearance bonus TC - 185k - 215k Arlington, VA Boeing - Senior DevSecOps Engineer 140k base 15k signon TC ~150k Colorado Springs, CO I have two offers and while the choice may be obvious to most, I’m interested in your thoughts here. Amazon pays significantly more but that comes with a lot of cons. - COL in Virginia $$$ - WLB requires significant on call time - L4 at 4 yoe (down level) - Pip (is it safer in a cleared position?) I’m a single guy mid 20s with no dependents. What would you guys do? Anything I should consider? #offer #tech TC: 115k
I would pick up Boeing if I intended to be/ pursue career in Aerospace. Plus, Boeing laid off a bunch of IT folks recently and hired Dell as an outsource company. Just google it.
This team is on the defense side. The recruiter did say the defense is still growing even with the recent commercial side issues. What’s the atmosphere within Boeing rn?
As I see it, everyone who could or can leave has already left or actively looking for a new role. Can’t say for the defense side, I am on the commercial side. Go thru LinkedIn accounts to figure out how many former Boeing’s folks including managers have already joined Amazon .... food for thought.
That's interesting neither position is in the Seattle area.
Technically I could force my way to Seattle for the amazon position but manager probably wouldn’t like that
Go with Amazon. PIPs are mostly for SDE's. Those RSUs will be worth a lot later.
Is that true? There’s a mandatory pip for every team from what I heard
You are right. Pip is mandatory for every team. If that’s something you are worried about, I would recommend you to stay away. But your learning curve compared to Boeing would be great and will set you up for the next step in your career.
At your level Amazon may be a good bet, even with fear of drama. Younger and single means you might be able to give it a extra push and learn more early in your career. I doubt you will be able to learn much for Boeing. Even if you end up leaving Amazon after two years you will end up getting a named recognized company and potentially a significant salary bump on your next gig.
That’s my thought process too, my concern is getting PIPed within a year and now my career progression looks like I got demoted and fired lol... when I could’ve taken a promotion at Boeing
No one outside knows you got pip. If you mention anywhere that you don't like working at Amazon, no one will question you and might as well throw in their own story. PIP is real, but most people don't even notice that working at Amazon. Blind is full of negative experience but there are always long timers who like working. Don't worry about pip and just do your best. You will be ok
Yes having the clearance helps a lot vs pip just fyi. At least from what I’ve seen/heard.
Do you work with cleared engineers? Any difference in wlb you’ve noticed?
Ehh just going to leave what I said at what I’ve said. You can glean what you think from it or not. Judging by whom your company is and all that, I’d hope you understand.
How are you even weighing these two? Not even in the same league.
Pip and down level is my biggest concern, but Amazon experience seems worth the risk - financially it almost balances out from COL
Go where you enjoy the work you will do
Does anyone enjoy work at AWS? 😂
Wtf how is Boeing paying you that high??
Initial offer was 135k and 10k sign on even though they did say the highest salary for this position was 130k before I interviewed. I guess they were impressed and I already have a TS
I’d take Boeing just because working hours would be half of Amazon. But amazon does offer the growth that you want, so i think that’s your best bet
Not a competition. Amazon 100% You’ll enter Boeing topping the pay band for that role. YoY salary growth will be trash. If you enter Amazon at L4 even though you should be L5, sounds like an immediate opportunity to get on a promotion path. You’ve already had the laid back xp at NG. Why continue? Young+single? Take the risk at Amazon and you’ll get a massive experience benefit. Even if it’s “I hate Amazon” you can always go back to aerospace. Since you already have NG and a TS on your resume, Amazon adds a lot more breadth to your record than just jumping to Boeing. With all aerospace, once you have one legacy on your record, you have a solid in to go back if you want to try Boeing later. Boeing is reeling rn while Amazon is sprinting to get into the gov game. +Boeing def is stodgy and incredibly bureaucratic. I disliked the “punch in punch out and no more” mindset most management has there. Regardless of blind opinions... Did you feel better about either of the teams from interviewing? In both places, the group you work in is the most important factor to whether or not it’s worth it.
I really wasn’t able to get much detail out of Boeing but it aligns a lot with what I do at NG right now so I assume I wouldn’t be learning as much, just performing well vs amazon seems much higher growth opportunities working on massive scale applications across AWS but with high pressure (obv) and on call. I appreciate your words, I’m fairly certain I’ll go for amazon and if all else fails I’ll get back into Boeing/aerospace with little issue.
You should’ve been an L5 at Amazon