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Is it worth leaving behind 75LPA in India for an offer of $185k in Bay Area?
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PM is irrelevant role and will die in next 2-3 years.
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Principal Software Engineer TC~300K at Microsoft vs 600K at Meta. Is 300k pretty low for Principal scope?
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Product manager of 8 years here. Over the past few months, I've fallen hopelessly out of love with my current PM role at my workplace. It something in hindsight I should have seen coming, but was blinded by the allure of 100% remote workplace and (what I thought was high, but apparently is average) salary. Now burn out and having moments out of the golden handcuffs has me seeking for opportunities elsewhere. However, it's been rough. Two months of applying, referrals, etc. And not one interview for a product management role. I see out there it seems common to see other PMs having the same outcome for many more months than I've been, too. Mass layoffs in the tech space likely has some role in that. That being said, what do you feel are the best roles for a former product manager to branch out into given the current job market? Even willing to consider going down to $150k -- my priority now is finding anything that can (1) help me continue supporting my family and (2) give me a break from product management which seems to be long overdue. A few details on what I bring: - 8 years of experience - 2 product launches, each of which achieved their intended adoption goals - PM experience in SaaS, no/low code solutions, and real estate rentals - 4 years of people management experience - And of course TC: 170k
Why do you say low pay when I see some PMs progress to a very high pay later in their career?
I don't feel like I have low pay; from what I see where I'm at now is average.
Ok so how about a plan to progress to hire level PM roles? What level are you now? What do you need to do to become better and progress?
Are you currently employed and just burned out or unemployed?
Employed and burnt out. Been like this for past few months and discussed with director/boss. But, things haven't gotten better. Still delivering quality though, just little drive and motivation behind it.
I’m curious — why do you want a break from Product Management? As in, what is having you look out from PM?
Primarily it's a couple months of searching for PM roles elsewhere; only a couple months in, but around 400 applications so far, around 20 of them being referrals, but no first interviews yet. So, looking outside of PM incase other related roles might spark an interview and end up being something I'd like to explore further.
Exaggerate your resume to hell. Land interviews, go through the process, get the job. Market is untenable.
Unless you’ve professionally done other jobs, ie SWE, your best bet is to stay as a PM or adjacent roles like TPM or PgM. You’re talking about being disillusioned with the role and the difficulty in landing interviews but the reality is unless you have specialized skills it’ll still be much easier to stay in roughly that space. If you have a CS degree and were a dev, then you could move to eng. Otherwise I guess if as a PM you did a lot of GTM stuff sales or marketing roles could be a possibility but I think that will also be harder than looking for another PM or PM like role.
Following on what Meta said. If your options are limited because you are a PM, would you consider maybe testing out a side hustle like providing some training on PM and seeing if that might be something that will give you fulfillment? And maybe a little bit of revenue?
Yeah good call. That dude Shreyas Doshi is full of platitudes so leaving his day time job to run a product school made sense for him. He’s swimming in monies right now.
Dm me to talk about real estate. Similar boat
Me too guys. How best can we connect. I m a PM at Yelp
I’m thinking leverage it to a higher level PM role with more TC
Branch out to what? The market is saturated
Open to any ideas.