Can someone explain what is going on? Why would America consider giving Amnesty to people who willfully broke the law. Not to mention they have not been vetted. Also, for TPS don’t understand why these people are effectively given PR. The whole point of TPS is to provide temporary refuge but apparently the people who got TPS because of an earthquake decades ago are still here.
I do want to add that this seems very unfair to me. The fact is that any country (including Mexico) would be unhappy if millions of low skilled workers came in illegally and displaced jobs in the local economy. Seems to me that all the relatively wealthy Americans (middle class and up) would benefit from this since it will help lower wages for low skilled jobs. Meanwhile, the poorer Americans are hung out to dry.
I agree not entirely fair, but this has to be fixed. Realistically you can’t kick 10M undocumented people out, let alone the 800,000 DACA kids. Economically they are part of the workforce. The thing is whether Congress can do somethjng about it. Can we ever stop illegal immigration? No. Can we reform so we do merit-based immigration? Can we make immigration case processing quicker and reduce backlog? No. Why? Neither side is willing to work together. Actually, Orange head blew away his wall in 2017.
So essentially, what you are saying is that America has an unfair immigration system that is terribly broken and is hurting its own people...but politicians can’t fix it (for 30 years now) because no one can agree to a reasonable solution (of which there are many).
Dems need votes. Simple.
But this is ridiculous. Even if this is what the Democratic Party is doing, why on earth would the people actually support this?
DACA kids 'wilfully' broke the law at eg. age 2 when they entered the country?
Fair enough. The kids did not break the law. But their parents did break the law and they are getting rewarded because of this. It would be akin to me robbing a bank and giving that money to my kids. And now you are saying my kids can keep that money?
Immigration is a net positive. It’s not like a bank robbery at all.
Illegal immigration hurting Americans is a myth. Conservatives just need to rally votes from racists
You could argue liberals are just using this to expand their voter pool. I agree with you in that immigration is good for USA right now. But illegal immigration is wrong. How can you support people willfully breaking US laws? Even if you disagree with the laws, as a citizen of US it is your responsibility to uphold them. You want more immigrants in US, you have the right to lobby, protest and vote to encourage politicians to expand legal immigration. But it is beyond my understanding how you can encourage foreigners who broke the very laws that is is your responsibility as a citizen to uphold.
I mean thing of it this way. If a poor American stole some money from a bank, wouldn’t you still send that person to jail? Would it matter if that person used some of this money to help other poor people (an American Robin Hood if you will)?
There are not a finite number of jobs, there is not as shortage of resources, and immigrants actually create jobs. The main goal of immigration policy should be to keep out criminals and perhaps limit the rate of immigration to whatever we can absorb from a cultural perspective. I.e., 100k Chinese immigrants will feel strong pressure to learn English but 100mil of them would pressure the rest of us to learn Mandarin. But that's a rate of cultural assimilation question there is no issue with jobs. They would create 100 million jobs if that actually happened.
This is not true. There are also economic reasons for why you need to limit immigration. There are a finite number of jobs at any given point. If you suddenly let in 100 million immigrants, those jobs will not be created instantly. It takes time to grow the economy to the point where it can support more people. This is also true for inflation. For example, if you let in 100 million people, there will not be enough food, healthcare and other resources for everyone. It will take decades to create enough resources to support 100 million people and in the meantime the cost of those resources will sky rocket. The rate of immigration needs to be capped to allow the economy to adjust.
We can talk about rate of job creation but it clearly FAR exceeds any level of immigration we have ever had. You are wrong about food and you are wrong about healthcare as well. Any cap based on those factors is likely somewhere around 10% of the population per year which would be an order of magnitude more immigration than we have ever had.
DACA is a thing for a few reasons For one: plenty of DACA supporters don't think of it as being "against the law", or maybe more accurately they think it _shouldn't_ be. It's no different that how most people think of speeding down the highway or smoking weed in a state that legalized it. Both are still illegal, but nobody cares if you do it and if someone got really really mad over "But its ILLEGAL" nost people would think that thats weird For another: DACA specifically is hard to oppose because the people involved are children. It might be the case that they broke the law, but the representative case is where their parents broke the law on their behalf when they were young children. They had no say in the matter, no control, probably didn't even have an understanding of what's going on. Most people have an intuitive understanding that it's not fair to punish someone for _accidentally_ committing crimes, and most people have an intuitive understanding that its not fair to hold them accountable for crimes primarily perpetrated by someone else. Both of these viewpoints have a solid foundation in common law. And so most people who support DACA don't thing 'but they broke the law' is a reasonable criticism.
This is fair. But how do you reconcile this with the fact that if this is the value system that Americans are going by, it effectively creates a loophole in the immigration laws. People will always want to come here for better opportunities. But why bother to come here legally and deal with the red tape. If you have a kid, you can just illegally come here and your kid will be automatically given PR and have a good life. Later with chain migration, your whole family can come here.
I mean first off, I'm not defending DACA I'm just reporting Secondly, my understanding is that DACA is temporary. They might end up getting permanent residency in practice but officially it could just get revoked or whatever And third, well, the unfortunate fact is that a substantial number of americans believe both that there should be minimal or no immigration controls between the US and Mexico, and also that using loopholes and bending rules is fine if thats what you have to do to get it. I agree that having DACA as an ongoing policy (is that even how it works? Idk) creates a really perverse incentive, and personally I would rather see something like a one time full amnesty + much stricter enforcement going forward. But it's not likely going to happen
They have been vetted. Well like all people, there are bad seeds. DACA is a special case. These kids came at really young age. Imagine living here since you were 1 years old. We still have to fix immigration system. Congress has been unwilling to do ANYTHING. Even if they decided to kick them out, well, pass a bill. Everyone is using them as political chip.