Career Advice: Apple TPM or Amazon L5 SDE2

Jul 20, 2019 14 Comments

I am currently SDE at Oracle. Got offer from Apple for TPM. The TPM offer is Technical Product Manager. How is the future for TPM role? Do you guys suggest a move from SDE to TPM?

Offered Level - ICT4
Offered TC: 225k
current TC: 160k

YoE: 2.5

Also i am on F1 OPT and i would need H-1B. Both Apple and Amazon are sponsoring H-1B. i have two more tries. Masters and Bachelors in CS.

Competing offer:
Amazon L5 SDE2 Bay Area Consumer Org with TC: 250k

Amazon doesn’t have refreshers while Apple does. Worried about PIP culture at Amazon.

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  • Facebook / Product fb🦄
    Are you sure it is technical product manager at Apple and not technical program manager?
    Jul 20, 2019 3
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      OP
      The job description said technical Product manager.
      Jul 20, 2019
    • Adobe / R&D Spidey🕸️
      I thought Apple only hires Engineering Program Managers.
      Jul 20, 2019
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      OP
      No. Could you please advice.
      Jul 20, 2019
  • Amazon 🍉@
    Go with Apple 🍎 !
    Jul 21, 2019 5
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      OP
      Could you please explain? I have to choose between Alexa Shopping in East Palo Alto SDE2 and Apple TPM ICT4
      Jul 21, 2019
    • Amazon 🍉@
      Amazon has a bad culture of PIP URA and Dev list - Alexa is not great anymore - why would you risk your career with Alexa if you can go to Apple and will have more options in a year or two.
      Jul 21, 2019
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      OP
      Do you also suggest a transition from SDE to TPM now? Also one more worry I have is H-1B for TPMs. Would it be a problem?
      Jul 21, 2019
    • Amazon 🍉@
      You can always transition back to SDE - consult a lawyer on H1B or go to the H1B sites. It might require modification. No idea.
      Jul 21, 2019
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      OP
      I am still on my F1 OPT. I’m asking would it be a problem if H-1B gets picked up in the lottery. In a sense, would they reject H-1B because it’s a TPM role?
      Jul 21, 2019
  • Amazon zavV44
    $250k is a pretty strong L5 offer, even for the Bay.

    "Worried about PIP culture at Amazon."

    You should be.

    Being the newest or least knowledgeable dev on a high performing team (where you should want to be) == pip. It's beatable if you're unlucky (as opposed to actually bad), but you'll still find yourself in that position.
    Sep 5, 2019 1
    • Oracle larry_off
      Any advices on how to overcome that?
      Sep 5, 2019
  • Nutanix SDae62
    How can Apple offer you a product manager role with your Dev experience? Do you have any aspirations to become PM ?
    Jul 20, 2019 1
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      OP
      I have aspirations to become a PM in future. This is Technical Product Manager role.
      Jul 20, 2019

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