Companies with REAL remote work policies like Airbnb?
Have been through a few interview loops at this point only to find out later that the advertised remote work policy isn't actually what it claims to be, and keeps you chained up in the US (and often even in the same state you're employed from). Compiling a list of US companies (public, startups, and everything in between) that have real remote work policies like Airbnb not some bait-and-switch, please comment the ones you know of below in the following format: Company - COL adjustment on TC (not just base), domestic flexibility, international work policy For example: Airbnb - No COL adjustment (top tier Bay Area pay everywhere), work from anywhere in the states, work up to 90 days per country per year Will keep editing and adding to this list: ---------------------- Same as Airbnb (but pay bands are not FAANG level): Hopper, Shopify, Angellist No COL adjustment, work from anywhere in the US, unclear international policy: Reddit, Spotify No COL adjustment, work from anywhere in the US, 30 days international: Lyft (for now) Slight pay adjustment (5-15%), work from anywhere in the US, 30 days international: Plaid, Zoom, Meta (20 days intl), Pinterest, Atlassian (90 days intl), Block/Square (45 days intl) Significant COL adjustment (15%+), work only from your state, unclear international: TikTok, Rippling ---------------------- Context for the curious: I got on the digital nomad train during COVID and have zero desire to give up this freedom. Maybe when I'm older and want to settle down but right now I think you'd need to be insane to sign-off your time, flexibility, and even financials like that (geo-arbitrage is amazing). What's frustrating is the BS companies will come up with not to give you your time and freedom. Among my favorites: 1- "There's tax implications to deal with"; no duh, but if I who had zero prior US tax knowledge was able to learn the tax rules of each state and easily navigate this, y'all should easily be able to as well. Plus there's software that helps track this, crappy excuse. 2- "You're based out of a LCOL so we'd need to dock your pay"; just an excuse to pay you less for the same work, especially when I've made it clear I don't live permanently anywhere and my address is just a place to collect mail. 3- "In person environment is better for collaboration"; I actually agree with this one, but we've onboarded, kept things running, collaborated, and innovated for 3 years now while being remote, so I think the argument is a little more nuanced and role dependent. As far as I'm concerned, it's definitely not needed for engineering roles, and the real issue is your company never took the time to setup proper async processes and workflows. Plus these half-assed hybrid policies are just as bad cause there's always at least one person not in the office and you just end up talking over Slack/Teams and Zoom anyway. Airbnb's remote work policy was the biggest FU and "what's your excuse now?" to all these places, and while I'd love to work there they only have senior and 5+ YOE positions for SWE. I've literally only seen one non-senior role in the past year. TC: 170k YOE: 3 #remote #remotecompanies
What companies did you interview for that had bad remote policy ?
Related to #1 is companies need to register $$$ to do business in the state and follow state regulations $$$$ it isnt simply paying a different tax percentage. Ive started seeing job posting saying they wont hire people from certain states because they dont want to deal with regulations there. You might need a company with offices everywhere like infosys who VZ transfered alot of employees to when outsourcing them, which didnt go well for many of them after a year. Many locals went to fluor which works around the globe and has remote workers.
Interesting, could you link me to a resource to learn more about this?
Ya, the US thing is tax related. Get over it.
We allow out of US for more than 90 days (no specific policy).
And is there an adjustment for LCOL areas?
Lyft is fully flexible. You choose where to work from ( as long as you are in US for tax, legal purposes)
Does that mean a) there won't be pay adjustments? And b) as long as you're not breaking any tax laws, can you work for short stints outside the US?
a) that policy is being worked on. We don't have clarity yet. But I expect pay adjustment. b) yes, a team member of mine worked 1 month outside. But there might be some upper limit to the number of days.
Interview for Airbnb and see whether you can get an offer then. Duh...
If there're were any positions for my YOE I would've already lol, y'all like Netflix these days nothing but Senior+
Zoom allows every employee to decide if they're fully remote, hybrid, or in person
Nice! And is there cost adjustments based on location? What's the policy for working outside of the US?
There are 3 geographic zones in the US for pay, but they're not that different from each other (I think the percent difference is 5-10% between each?) Outside of the US, same rule applies, employees choose. But a US based employee can only work abroad internationally for 30 days or less I think, due to tax laws
At least my team works anywhere and even working while travelling (train, plane) is acceptable. I go to the office once in a while since the office is sooo good.
We don’t have that up to 90 days in any country thing though. I assume you mean travelling within the country
Yeah from reading the policy on the careers site it seemed like working outside your region (so in this case, US Brazil Canada Mexico) was still something that's being looked into. But are they strict about it or not really?
Plaid is up to 30 days outside the US but does adjust your salary based on location.
Ah gotcha, thanks for confirming!
Any idea by how much? What is the change from like Sf to Austin? Google is 15%. Do you know if they take away RSU?