I am looking for perspectives. - please do not troll - please use facts Couple of points: 1) Does USA needs immigrants? 2) What does diversity means? Is country of birth a good decider? Or religion? Or gender? Why not whether someone is short/tall? Fat or thin? Someone bald or hairy? Vegetarian or non-vegetarian? 3) How does diversity affected by keeping/removing per country caps? 4) What is the need for family based GC? Why not just keep diversity visa?
Life is unfair. Ever thought of why you are here out of 1.4billion people?
Everyone is gonna die one day, so why do we live?
🥱 Current system is good enough for anyone that matters. Next.
1- yes 2- diversity in business sense: folks with different backgrounds and life experiences bringing value to your company by representing different sections of your customer base. * Country of birth is a good one (culture in different countries can be drastically different), * religion could be (but is protected by law), * gender is good one as well, female Vs males can represent your customer base extremely differently * physical appearances generally are not (depends on the company’s product I guess) * vegetarian Vs non-vegetarian generally also not (again can think of products where this can matter) 3- if a single country is represented a lot, diversity balance is off 4- it’s to keep families together. Assuming most folks will want to bring their families regardless of country, family visa doesn’t disturb the balance much.
Thank you for the response. To your comment on Business importance of diversity - I understand why diversity is important but not how it is getting diluted by people who are already in the USA. A large fraction of backlogged folks have been here for 5+ years. On keeping the family together - for a GC holder their spouse and minor kids get GC with them. If empathy and humanitarian perspectives are considered for family (parents and siblings) unification, then is it not inhumane for backlogged folks.
Country of birth is a good factor for diversity Should keep country caps.
And I like Mexican avocados.
Thats racist...we want avocadoes from every country not just Mexico
Keep country caps but reallocate 50% of FB greencards to EB. EB-based GCs are a drop in the bucket.
Why would someone in FB category, who wants to their in-laws and extended family, would allow it to happen?
Whatever change we make, it will unfair for someone. Correct approach would be to keep family, employment, asylum, diversity immigrations in different queues. Asylum could be used by political refugees but it shouldn't impact other immigration categories at all. Govt can decide this and may be handed on case to case basis. Family visa is the tricky one and most misused in US by latin American, and indians (read it as Gujju and Telgu communities). I think it should be based on the queue and priority should be given on young family members instead of old members like parents because it adds the load for medical and social security systems. Diversity Visa could be independent of all and high population countries shouldn't be allowed in this category or atleast it shouldnt be based on population size. Logically employement based immigration should be based on skills and origin of country shouldnt matter and FIFO should be the criteria if qualified on skills point system.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
1) Does USA needs immigrants? - Yes if it wants to maintain its superpower status vs China. No if it doesn't. 2) What does diversity means? Is country of birth a good decider? Or religion? Or gender? Why not whether someone is short/tall? Fat or thin? Someone bald or hairy? Vegetarian or non-vegetarian? - Diversity means whatever the self appointed saints of diversity want it to mean. 3) How does diversity affected by keeping/removing per country caps? - Doesn't matter, since the rule is inserted primarily to self more white people come into the country. 4) What is the need for family based GC? Why not just keep diversity visa? - Again More white people.
Anyone who doesn’t see a whole lot of orgs filled with people from a single country of origin is blind. Too many immigrants from any given country is bad. Take it to the extreme. If there are 100 americans rn, and we get 10 new immigrants a year, 9 of which indians, what would become of this country and culture? You are creating Chinatowns and Koreatowns but in like x100 scale
@Amazon: great point. But - People in backlog are already here working for their employers for (in most cases) > 5 years. Giving them GC is not going to affect “country and culture” - With respect to visa sponsorship specifically H1B, there needs to be a cap on country of origin.
Country caps need to occur at the H1B level to prevent the green card queue which is unfair. If employment-based caps are removed 90% of that category would be from one country. An alternative is to issue H1Bs by job classification. In 1990, when the program was legislated, there was a need for SWEs that simply isn't the case for low-level coders anymore. The US does need healthcare professionals.
H1b should not be tied to GC. It’s a temporary visa and should stay like that. The backlog got created because of the unlimited h1b extensions with GC filing.
@Glinda: Good point, the USA definitely needs more healthcare professionals. - For healthcare workers, should there be country caps for healthcare-classification? - For the people who are in backlog, should their H1Bs be revoked? Or should they be given GC and be allowed to remain?