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Deel - growth at all costs

This is what growth at all costs looks like. Deel is a sh1tsh0w for accepting these clients when their whole value prop is compliance. As a former employee, I witnessed growth being prioritized over every rational and legal reason. Leadership are aggresive bullies and sooner than later it will implode. If you are considering a role with Deel do yourself a favour and stay as far away as possible. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/how-deel-became-payout-provider-for-prop-trading-firms-including-site-frozen-by-cftc?eu#tech =hGkKokVHvxeUVTC8i6c3jw&utm_source=ti_app How Deel Became Payout Provider for Prop Trading Firms, Including Site Frozen by CFTC By Natasha Mascarenhas and Jessica E. Lessin Sep 6, 2023 12:27 am PDT Four-year-old Deel has become one of the fastest-growing and most valuable startups by positioning itself as a way for businesses to hire contract employees anywhere in a snap. What the human resources startup doesn’t talk about in its prolific marketing is the fact that the company, last valued by investors at $12 billion, has also become the exclusive way nearly a dozen websites in a high-risk corner of retail investing say they pay traders. The U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission froze the assets of one of the largest trading sites—MyForexFunds—last week, accusing it of defrauding investors. That suit followed an inquiry by The Information to the agency about the site, which pays traders using Deel and crypto. THE TAKEAWAY • HR startup Deel has become the default provider for niche trading websites • The sites charge investors to compete in trading challenges, with lure of getting ‘funded’ • The CFTC just shut down one site, calling it a ‘ponzi’ scheme Others, including SurgeTrader, Apex Trader Funding and The 5%ers, continue to operate. The sites—known as prop or funded trading firms—charge users to compete in virtual trading challenges with fake money, luring them with the opportunity to get real payouts if they’re successful enough. The sites generally say they aren’t regulated by securities or futures authorities because they trade with their own capital. Deel says these sites all abide by its terms of service and it conducts audits to ensure compliance. “In every case, Deel runs extensive checks on both parties,” spokesperson Elisabeth Diana said in a statement. “They have multiple payroll partners they use.” Out of 21 prop trading firms reviewed by The Information, 17 offer payouts either through Deel alone or Deel plus crypto. Four offer alternative methods, including PayPal, bank wire transfers and digital wallet provider Skrill, as well as payments provider Perfect Money. Payout firms, including Rippling and Gusto, told The Information they don’t serve these clients. Rippling said working with prop firms represents a “clear violation” of its anti–money-laundering policies. (Update: Rippling said that after this article published, it ran an audit that found two sites were using Rippling products for their employees. Rippling is in the process of cutting the sites off.) The CFTC may have questions for Deel regarding its knowledge on the matter and if there was any potential work to further the prop firm’s scheme, said Julia Mezhinsky Jayne, president of Jayne Law Group, a San Francisco-based law firm that specializes in business compliance and criminal defense. “It doesn’t mean everyone who did business with [MyForexFunds] is liable, it just depends on the level of scrutiny that Deel was supposed to take,” she said. Trader Fees The amount of money Deel makes from these firms couldn’t be learned. Deel says revenue from firms involved in prop trading and foreign exchange accounts for less than 1% of its revenues. Deel reached an annualized run rate of $340 million earlier this year, according to a person familiar with its financials. Upon first inquiring about the business model for this product, Deel pointed The Information to its standard pricing. Under that pricing, Deel charges $49 a month per user and takes a small percentage of any payouts. Some of the largest sites—like MyForexFunds—said they paid out more than $11 million a month via Deel and purported to have more than a hundred thousand users. A Deel spokesperson later said these customers had custom pricing that she would not disclose and that most of the firms pay less than Deel’s $49 a month fee. But at least some retail trading firms appear to be operating through using the public pricing model. Glow Node co-CEO Sam Bradbury and Billions Club CEO Jakub Rož said they pay Deel $50 per active trader per month. Bradbury said there is also a transfer fee associated with payout transactions. MyForexFunds was the sixth-largest referrer of traffic to the Deel desktop site from the end of July to the end of August, according to analytics firm Similarweb. Trading sites represented four of the top 25 sites during that period. In its legal complaint, the CFTC said MyForexFunds was operating “in a manner similar to a Ponzi scheme” by offering payouts based on fees paid by other customers—not a percentage of trading profits. The lawsuit said the site had taken in more than $310 million in fees. The Deel spokesperson said the company froze MyForexFunds’ account indefinitely after learning about the CFTC’s shutdown on August 30. The agency filed a lawsuit against the firm September 1, four days after The Information asked the commission about MyForexFund’s regulatory status. MyForexFunds CEO Murtuza Kazmi did not respond to requests about the CFTC’s legal action. ‘Banks Don’t Really Like Us’ Former Massachusetts Institute of Technology students Alex Bouaziz and Shuo Wang founded Deel in 2019 with the aim of revolutionizing international hiring. The pair joined Y Combinator before ultimately raising more than $675 million in venture capital from Spark Capital, Andreessen Horowitz and other blue-chip investors. The pandemic was a boon for Deel as work moved to a remote basis and companies looked for ways to hire remote workers around the world. “The way people work is fundamentally changing. And it’s never going back,” Bouaziz said in a statement announcing the company’s Series D funding in October 2021. Investors including Coatue Management and Altimeter Capital, plus at least 37 angel investors including Instacart CEO Fidji Simo, valued Deel at $5.5 billion. That year, Bouaziz was listed in Forbes’ 30 Under 30 list. Growth kept wowing investors. Deel’s annual recurring revenue hit $295 million in January, more than five times the figure at the end of 2021, as previously reported by The Information. Then last year, it raised a small round that more than doubled its valuation and included Emerson Collective, the investment and philanthropic organization led by Laurene Powell Jobs. Deel has faced its share of controversy along the way. This summer a California state senator, Steve Padilla, pushed for an investigation into the company following a report that it was classifying many of its workers as contractors. Deel said it was complying with the law. Meanwhile, it’s served an increasing number of these prop trading firms, which blossomed after the meme stock craze of 2020 and 2021. After traders set up an account with Deel—which involves verifying that they are a contractor with the site—they can then connect that account to their bank accounts or to consumer bank apps. The Funded Trader, for instance, tells traders their Deel account can connect to Paypal, Wise and Revolut. “Most payment providers don’t really like us. Banks don’t really like us,” said Bradbury, the co-CEO at London-based Glow Node. It charges fees from $50 to $999 to enter trading challenges. He said the funded trading firm originally used PayPal and crypto to pay its traders, but it switched to Deel because the service made it easier to track payments in one place and supported multiple currencies for its international users. Based in locations from Spain’s Canary Islands to Austin, Texas, these firms advertise the opportunity to trade without users needing to put up their own investment capital. Traders start by paying a fee of as much as hundreds of dollars a month to compete in challenges, often joining Discord servers that encourage them to compete against each other via leaderboards. If a trader succeeds at a challenge, they may be invited to the next challenge, ultimately resulting in the chance to trade with what the firms call a funded account. These accounts also typically represent simulated trades, which the firm then says it may copy for real trades via a partner trading firm. Successful traders are promised a percentage of the profits, usually around 50% to 80%. For the often young traders attracted to such sites—many of whom share tips and strategy on YouTube and Instagram—the prospect of trading with a pot of someone else’s money is a big allure. But many never make it to that point, and they keep setting up new accounts and paying to enter competitions. “People treat them like casinos,” said a 23-year-old North Carolina trader who posts his trading strategies under the ImanTrading handle on YouTube, where he has 76,000 subscribers. Rož, CEO of Billions Club, a Dubai-based prop trading website launched in July, said Deel has become an industry standard among trading firms because it combines contractor invoicing products with payments services. “We decided to use it also because it’s the fastest way, easiest way and it’s like a market standard, so the customers are used to it—but it’s pretty expensive,” he said. Due to the cost, the site plans to soon develop its own alternative “because we do not want to use Deel for a long time.”

How Deel Became Payout Provider for Prop Trading Firms, Including Site Frozen by CFTC
How Deel Became Payout Provider for Prop Trading Firms, Including Site Frozen by CFTC
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waterani Sep 7, 2023

jesus christ

Gusto k$75; Sep 9, 2023

Not saying Deel isn’t a mess, but the article says they have less than 12 of these firms as customers, and those companies represent less than 1% of Deel’s revenue. Ragebait.

Financial Services Company lzKB41 OP Sep 10, 2023

It represents a total lack of compliance oversight for a company that claims compliance is their cornerstone. It's the equivalent of Apple leaking a bunch of their customers data and then claiming "but this only represents 0.005% of our users". In the compliance world, 1 case is far too many because it's about Trust. Would you trust your own entity with a provider like that? And more importantly, these are the shady businesses that became public, how do you know there are not others that Deel missed in the name of growth? The company is a sh1tsh0w inside, outside and all over