Initially I thought the Indian government position was measured and reasonable but increasingly think it has turned out to be a disaster. The reasons I hear from fellow Indians are: - Russia was a long time friend of India. This is not true. The Soviet Union was. While Russia is the legitimate successor state, post Russia hasn’t done anything “friendly”. In fact they had trade deals and sold weapons at market rate or even a premium. -Russians have so much derision towards the countries they sell arms to that they even nick named export variants as Monkey Models. - Russians weapons (including T 90s) have proven woefully inadequate in the battlefield against western supplied arms. - US support for Pakistan during the Cold War. But most Indians conveniently ignore that it was India that first rejected American offers of friendship (Eisenhower even offered nuclear tech to India in the 1950s and Nehru rejected it. Nehru was a socialist and chose Soviet Union over America and the US then had no choice but to choose Pakistan to stop communism. - it is undeniable that countries that chose Soviet Union and communism have been absolutely destroyed and are in shambles while most American allies have prospered (SK, Saudi, Germany, Japan, ASEAN nations) - USA is the biggest trade partner and export market for India. Through the current stance (of neutrality, which America considers support for Russia), India has antagonized a lot of American leaders, and quite a few western population among common people. - Russia’s contribution to India’s trade after 1990 is minimal at best, but EU plus USA have massively contributed to the current $500 billion forex reserves. Russia’s contribution there is minimal. -Russian military has all but collapsed. So they will definitely be of no help to India in the future. They can’t help themselves at the moment and are literally asking North Korea and Iran for arms. -Russian weapons industry has come to a stand still and without sanctions being lifted they cannot export again. This is a serious issue that India cannot solve right away. While I strongly believe the “atmanirbhar” campaign will eventually help India, in the short term we absolutely need the support of the west. This is a lost opportunity to consolidate that. - Other Russian supporters in this battle are North Korea, Iran, and China. India is out of character aligning with these nations. (Again Distinguishing here between Iranian, Chinese people from their governments). - while it if ok for common people to not know about upcoming Russian losses or predict the direction of the war, I think the inability of the Indian foreign policy establishment to read all this earlier in the war is showing through as rank incompetence. - while Modi’s heart is in the right place (he did say this is not the time for war after all, straight to Putin’s face), I think he is being let down by the bureaucracy and the external affairs ministry). What India gained: - some cheap oil (that too temporarily) What India lost: - massive opportunity to extract weapons related concessions from the west. - favorable trade deals using support for war as leverage. - Ill will of our highest trading partners (on whom million of India IT, textile, leather and other sector people depend on for jobs) What do you think? I think this being penny wise and pound foolish TC 430k Yoe 14 Disclosure: I am an Indian I generally lean towards BJPs ideologies and have mostly voted for them But am not a “hardcore” supporter of any party. I have a generally favorable view the Modi government but feel they could do better.
What are the benefits of India voting against Russia ?
How is this relevant?
And please either accept or provide rebuttals
Whatever
Soviet Union was a great help to India. I spent a few months in Bokaro which was built with Soviet help. But Russia invaded Ukraine (which was a part of USSR) and has killed civilians. Indian government under Modi has chosen shamefully.
Emotionally I am with Ukraine 🇺🇦 in this one. But the discussion is about strategic benefit for India and even there I feel supporting USA is the right this
When did India take any side? India’s stance has been, “it’s your war, you deal with it, I don’t give a shit”
Please carefully read my post. If you still don’t get it this post is perhaps not for you.
Too long of a post to read carefully, I guess you’re right, this post isn’t for me
India should be a massive weapons exporter. You can easily displace Russia. Why don’t you?
India will and I think Modi is taking baby steps to get India that way
Jpn is a sick man of asia with no growth whatsoever
They have grown from being a country nuked twice to a world power and American had a significant role in their growth
Japan is developed but derives it’s military power from its relationship with the US. If a foreign country were to invade Japan, it would crumble quickly without the US throwing its weight behind it.
India did not choose Russia. India stayed away from conflict. Even so called developed countries of Europe are feeling the heat of taking sides. Energy prices are multiplying and industries suffering. Usa is still in good shape because it controls world reserve currency and thus USD is considered safe haven in turbulent times. India has 1.3 billion mouths to feed and picking sides will only narrow down our options down the line. Lastly trade benefits both sides.. US and Europe don't trade with India to help India. Europe sanctioned Russia and is hurting more than Russia due to trade war.
Agreed on all points. And the conclusion there should be to support USA amd get rid of this Russia thing around India’s neck. India’s interests are: - Trade with the west - Strategic support from the west (Russia anyway has none) - weapons from the west. (Again Russia comes a cropper) - oil from the Mid East
You are saying "Support USA" as if Russia has attacked Usa. Superpowers have geopolitical ambitions. US has bombed countries in past to get what it wants. Russia is trying the same with Ukraine. US is only supporting Ukraine because it can counter Russia without actually going to war. Europe towed the line and is paying for that. Ukraine has been an ally of Pakistan historically. Despite that India provided humanitarian aid to Ukraine and abstained from taking sides. There are so many conflicts going on in world time to time. Its not our job to take sides and pour resources for the conflict. By that logic when USA will again attack some small country in future, will we suspend all our trades with them? IMO India should stay neutral and it is doing the right thing. Give it 6 more months. Europe will be forced to reduce their support for Ukraine. They have nothing to gain from this and neither does India.
War is bad and what is happening in ukraine is sad. That being said, india remembers how ukraine supplied tanks to pakistan to invade india in the past. So yeah, they know who their friends are. India should look after india’s best interest which is not to get involved, keep heads down and keep developing itself. OP you forgot another big variable in the equation . BRICS and moving away from the fiat currency. That has massively played into this equation and no, its not going to be temporary cheap oil. It is baby step towards a permanent solution where india will trade in rupees rubles.
Rusia, Indonesia, China, Russia will trade in gold to be independent of US mighty dollar
Cisco, agreed. It would be any currency that is based on gold standard
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India has been choosing the wrong allies for a long time. US and the west are only looking to exploit Indians. India needs to form closer ties with countries like russia, china and Iran
Lol, no one views their international relations charitably. Does Russia or China act for the best interest of India. You are delusional if you think so. The point is who do you align with so that you get the most for your nation.
Yes, but Russia and china share mutual goals with India. An India with a strong military and economy benefits Russia and china and helps protect them from US hegemony. The US wants a weak and poor India that only exists to serve as cheap slave labor to American corporations