Can we stop abusing 'Engineering Leadership' title please? I am about puke when browsing LinkedIn. Nobody is Engineering Manager anymore. Every fucking frontline manager is now an Engineering Leadership at Uber! Yeah, that bro with 4 years experience, somewhat managed to grab a manager position to nanny few new grads, yes, he is fucking 'engineering leadership' now! Oh, yeah, the other dude, that one just triaging bugs all day, he is definitely 'engineering leaderhip'! Every fucking body not writing a single line of code is Engineering Leadership at Uber, whatever that means, I don't get it. Is it like club you join after work hours? You sit with Thuan to discuss the engineering problems? He is clueless as well as you are clueless triaging bugs all day, where is the leadership? Stop being funny! Differentiate yourself in a meaningful way! Not fancy titles at LI.
Not sure why the hell you have to post in public lounge?
I enjoyed reading it!
please continue, I see random LinkedIn titles too, very informative.
This is on point. I also see a lot of 'Head of <5 person project> Engineering!'
Even ICs if they are the only one of that kind of IC in an org.
@usernom why are you getting so agitated by these folks? Just do your job. If they are not worth their salt they will sink soon. There is no point losing sleep or agonizing over such folks. Not worth it. You will find these in many companies.
this is Uber, the biggest set of butt hurts
There maybe butt hurts, but the problem is legit. I've seen people from different companies inflating their titles. "Principal group engineering manager" doesn't exist in Microsoft, but bunch of "principal dev leads" put this to sound like they are leading an army compared to their real team size like 5-10.
Almost anyone at Uber who is "Head of" is an immature, insecure, hyperpolitical dipshit. We could cull all of them and be a lot better off. There is a strong correlation to people hating their team and their manager titling themselves "Head of" on LinkedIn. They are totally classless and only able to thrive in a place like Uber.
head of title is really stupid. and so many people overuse them.
I agree with the spirit of your post, but I don't think it's limited to Uber (unless Uber somehow gives such titles or encourages people to use such titles on LI). I once had a first line manager, whose title in Linked In was "Head - xxx, @big MNC". We were literally 5 people reporting to him. And we were a fringe team in a remote office, while the main arm of that particular field (xxx) was all in a different office. So, technically he was the head of xxx in that particular office! It's like "Head janitor for the rest rooms numbered more than 2 and less than 4".
At FB or somewhere else?
not FB. Fortunately, I haven't noticed such title greed in FB much.
We once had a data scientist claiming himself "head of data science at office X" even though he is the only data scientist here with no reports. We also had a "head of machine learning" who was just a second line manager building ML tools. He's gone right after work anniversary, trading up to an exec position somewhere else. His former report, a first line manager of same tool-building team is "head of deep learning".
I think I know who you are talking about
there's a "head of machine learning" epidemic at Google too, sadly...
"I am the best Botanist on this planet!"
For a change, this "problem" doesn't appear to be specific to Uh-ber. It seems the current popular LinkedIn trend, and it is very focused on the next job these people want than the one they have. It's just like a Java programmer writing - senior staff principal engineering technical lead. Recruiters respond better to these titles/roles. My $0.02.
And the fired zone 5 is now engineering leader