CompensationMar 10, 2018
AmazonzVIe28

Evaluate Google T4 offer (Sea/Kirkland)

Base 145k Stocks 300k / 4 yrs Target Bonus 15% Sign-on 50k Years of experience 8 Sde2 @amzn aws, current TC 230k How is the offer, meh?

Microsoft Helloh Mar 10, 2018

Base is low

Amazon SomeName2 Mar 10, 2018

Everything except the base looks good. Also, the base is really important if you’re buying a house or similar. Congrats on your offer!

Mesosphere onsie Mar 10, 2018

Hmm, isn’t that just 240k total comp; only 10k more than what you make. Why do you even care to move?

Amazon SomeName2 Mar 10, 2018

It’s 240k without sign on so that’s worthwhile. Plus having Google on your resume is a win. OP can be there 2 years and come back to Amazon for new sign on and bump.

Amazon Pivoteee Mar 10, 2018

Sureee come back to amazon with free bananas and PIPs

Microsoft AmlEvil Mar 10, 2018

So what’s the TC per year? ~240, which is very close to what you’re making at Amazon? Sure, +50K first year... Sounds like you need a competing offer, this is typical Google.

Amazon zVIe28 OP Mar 10, 2018

I did have competing offers from uber, lyft, LinkedIn, Oracle. This is after letting them know the competing offers. I guess 50k sign-on is due to that .

Microsoft AmlEvil Mar 10, 2018

Yeah, that makes sense, regarding the sign on. I was able to eke out a much smaller one last year without competing offers, but it wasn’t included in the original offer, so I was wondering about yours. Are you saying that the others are offering even less? Do they know about your current compensation and also the Google offer?

Google 6zhf0xgi Mar 10, 2018

You're at AWS moving to Google Seattle - which is basically cloud. You should be able to get more. Definitely in stock.

Amazon zVIe28 OP Mar 10, 2018

Yup, matched team is in cloud space.

Microsoft AmlEvil Mar 10, 2018

Google seems to think their brand is important to people. In order to want to switch, you mentally put your current position and the new position on your hedonic scale. The increase in value must be perceptible. The value of the status quo (something you already have, including the comfort of knowing your environment and the people) is non-zero. So, Google thinks that: Current 💰 + status quo <<< new 💰 + the Google brand Since old and new 💰 are about equal, they must think that Your status quo << the Google brand True? At least, for me, it isn’t true, so the money aspect has to make the inequality there work.

eBay gxAJ68 Mar 10, 2018

230 is per year or over 4 years, if its per year, then your offer is very low

Facebook movebot Mar 10, 2018

Not sure if Google pays same in Seattle area as bay area but in Bay area t4 goes to soft cap of 165k base and they will even go over a bit to compete when you're underleveled. Get some competing offers! FB pays the same in Seattle and bay area btw 😉 RSUs and signing look good but could even go up with competing (assuming they pay equivalently in Seattle as bay area)

Microsoft AmlEvil Mar 10, 2018

He does have competing offers. Also, my impression was that Google also pays the same in both locales, unlike Microsoft.

Microsoft bluetesla Mar 10, 2018

Nope. Offer is 250k per year. Above average. Pretty good! Plus you should have stock award every year too.

Microsoft AmlEvil Mar 10, 2018

And wouldn’t the other companies give stock awards every year, too? I think Amazon does not, but the others do, no?

Microsoft bluetesla Mar 10, 2018

How much stock award does op get? Thisis a very competitive offer. I believe Google stock award is around 50k extra per year,so I’d say total comp is around 300k

Google Facebook Mar 10, 2018

Awesome offer above median. We have an internal compensation spreadsheet to prove that, since on Blind you can sometimes see ridiculous numbers.

Microsoft AmlEvil Mar 10, 2018

It doesn’t make sense to switch companies for this little of a difference in pay. That is, unless the person is running away from something, or has no other options. In this case, at least one is clearly not the case. I just think Google is too arrogant and behind the times.

Google Facebook Mar 10, 2018

I really doubt anything can be worse than working for Amazon. Google is a paradise comparing to it.