Evaluate Google T4 offer (Sea/Kirkland)

Mar 10, 2018 72 Comments

Base 145k
Stocks 300k / 4 yrs
Target Bonus 15%
Sign-on 50k

Years of experience 8
Sde2 @amzn aws, current TC 230k

How is the offer, meh?

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  • Microsoft / Eng
    AmlEvil

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    AmlEvilmore
    So what’s the TC per year?

    ~240, which is very close to what you’re making at Amazon?

    Sure, +50K first year...

    Sounds like you need a competing offer, this is typical Google.
    Mar 10, 2018 16
    • Uber zxngr
      SomeName, I remember it was 2w only first year, then 3w from year 2 and 4w from year 5 or 6.
      Mar 10, 2018
    • Amazon SomeName2
      The comment above was about a new hire so I was only referencing starting vacation. I believe that 3 weeks starts after 2 years so in your year 3.
      Mar 10, 2018
  • Google Facebook
    Awesome offer above median. We have an internal compensation spreadsheet to prove that, since on Blind you can sometimes see ridiculous numbers.
    Mar 10, 2018 8
    • Microsoft / Eng
      AmlEval

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      AmlEvalmore
      Can’t say anything about dreams other than, what do you think about Steve Yegge’s criticism?

      My favorite part about interviewing at Google was meeting former Microsofties there. I didn’t feel like anyone was too excited about what they were working on, frankly. I even went to some event where a panel of employees was supposed to tell us why working at Google was cool, but I got the opposite impression.
      Mar 10, 2018
    • O'Reilly Media NidV30
      Google has an internal comp sheet? Is it broken down by level and department (eng, pm, design, etc) as well?

      That’s pretty cool. Can’t wait to see it and feel bad about my TC.
      Mar 10, 2018
  • LinkedIn Fcjgchd
    Forget Google with those numbers. I was in the same situation like you 2 year ago, from AWS and got offers from both Google and LinkedIn. Google recruiters thought that I would be crazy about their brand name and tried to lowballl me with an initial offer that’s even lower than my Amzn comp at that time.

    LinkedIn then offered me 20% up and I joined them without bothering negotiating more with Google. I am now extremely happy with my work at LinkedIn and my comp also went up another 20%, excluding msft stock appreciation, due to raise, bonus, and stock refresher.

    See what are you gonna work on and who are you gonna work, rather than just a company name.
    Mar 10, 2018 0
  • Mesosphere onsie
    Hmm, isn’t that just 240k total comp; only 10k more than what you make. Why do you even care to move?
    Mar 10, 2018 2
    • Amazon SomeName2
      It’s 240k without sign on so that’s worthwhile. Plus having Google on your resume is a win. OP can be there 2 years and come back to Amazon for new sign on and bump.
      Mar 10, 2018
    • Amazon Pivoteee
      Sureee come back to amazon with free bananas and PIPs
      Mar 10, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng
    AmlEvil

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    Google seems to think their brand is important to people.

    In order to want to switch, you mentally put your current position and the new position on your hedonic scale. The increase in value must be perceptible.

    The value of the status quo (something you already have, including the comfort of knowing your environment and the people) is non-zero.

    So, Google thinks that:

    Current 💰 + status quo <<< new 💰 + the Google brand

    Since old and new 💰 are about equal, they must think that

    Your status quo << the Google brand

    True?

    At least, for me, it isn’t true, so the money aspect has to make the inequality there work.
    Mar 10, 2018 0
  • Amazon SomeName2
    Everything except the base looks good. Also, the base is really important if you’re buying a house or similar. Congrats on your offer!
    Mar 10, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng bluetesla
    Don’t forget to include 50k stock award annually in your total comp. looks like you forgot that.
    Mar 10, 2018 8
    • Microsoft / Eng
      AmlEvil

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      AmlEvilmore
      Microsoft has changed our compersation scheme very little over the last 15 years. Stock refreshers are something you can expect, and they give you the range for your level explicitly.

      It’s not the same at other companies, but it’s good to know what to ask about.
      Mar 10, 2018
    • LinkedIn Fcjgchd
      Stock refresher is performance based, and I don’t think Google L4 can get that much.
      Mar 10, 2018
  • Google / Eng 6zhf0xgi
    You're at AWS moving to Google Seattle - which is basically cloud. You should be able to get more. Definitely in stock.
    Mar 10, 2018 1
    • Amazon zVIe28
      OP
      Yup, matched team is in cloud space.
      Mar 10, 2018
  • Google razz
    I think you should get more contrary to what people say here. $250K/y is close to the target for that level.

    You can get > than that. In fact you can get L5 comp or more (“out of band”) if you negotiate
    Mar 10, 2018 3
    • Microsoft / Eng
      AmlEvil

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      AmlEvilmore
      Median, of course.
      Mar 10, 2018
    • Google razz
      Yeah, median
      Mar 10, 2018
  • Microsoft / Other Helloh
    Base is low
    Mar 10, 2018 0

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