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Who pays more for a given level (let's say <= L5 since the bands are much wider post that) for software engineer positions? Here's the breakdown of what I think -- correct me if I'm wrong. Base: Equal Initial RSU grant: Facebook > Google Sign-on bonus: Facebook > Google Annual bonus target: Equal Annual refresher RSU grants: Google >> Facebook 401k: Google >> Facebook Overall, who pays more? Is the difference significant over a period of, say, 4 years?
bonus target at FB is 10% and G is 15% sign on bonus depends on negotiation. so I'd say that's a wash. 401k is so tiny so it shouldn't matter. only about 10k. base:FB = G initial RSU: FB < G.
What's a typical refresher for L5 meets all like?
Actually bonus target at Fb for E5/L5/IC5 = 15%
How're bases equal? Doesn't FB offer more? I thought E5 base was on avg 170k but at google the equivalent is T4 ~140k
Aren't FB/G levels equivalent? E5=T5?
I dont think so. I think T5 is harder to get.
I'm surprised by the lack of responses from the Google folks here. I've seen lots of detailed breakdowns of overall compensation, RSU initial grant, RSU refresher grants, by levels (at least E3-E5) for Facebook around these forums. But Google -- folks seem to share very little info relatively. What gives?
You are mostly wrong For same level fb pays more base salary, and sign on bonus. Google pays more initial stock, cash bonus, and refresher. Also google 401k match is more generous, fb has better wellness plans. Overall google has an edge (5%) Again, for same level.
401k per year max contribution is 18k. a generous match is $9k. so who the fuck cares? you make it sound like it's a big deal.
FB pays more sign on bonus? based on what? if you don't negotiate your sign on bonus, you get pennies. so maybe FB pays more pennies. otherwise you negotiate the loss of equity and bonus at your current shop which both FB and G will match.
Google seems more aggressive on out of band offers than fb.
For fucks sake - use Glassdoor or angel.co or LinkedIn. Are you that stupid an engineer that you'll take the word of 5-6 data points over an anonymous network over several 100s of reported salaries over a period of time that were traded for an incentive?
I started to write out as thorough an analysis as I could based on the data I have, and then I realised that this is essentially the tech version of a college forum where some kid asks if he should matriculate at Harvard or Stanford. At either of these companies, you'll be one of the highest paid people in the world who does what you do. You'll also get incredible perks and plenty of ego-boosting prestige / envy points anytime you mention where you work (if that's your thing). If you have the incredible good fortune to be choosing between G and FB, focus on which job is more interesting, and which team/manager/culture seems like they'd help you be your best version of you. Because once you find those things, you'll first and foremost be happy -- and not coincidentally, you'll do your best work, which means you will make as much money as you want (and far, far more than you'll ever need). And last but not least, you're even better off than that lucky high school senior weighing H vs S, because if you ever feel you chose poorly, you have many years ahead to apply for a transfer ;-)
Please don't exaggerate. They are both great places to work but comparing them to H or S is just not proper. There are plenty of companies which offer on par everything as G or F, while H or S are best of the best, way more prestigious. And you have one chance in a lifetime to be in one. Also G or F don't give enough $$ as I need. True I make 300 or 400k, but that's not enough to afford a decent house in the bay. In fact Many of us cannot.
Granted it's not a perfect analogy (no analogy is). But I'd stand by the comparison on the basis that if you're looking for a place to do world-class massive-scale tech work in a plush environment and have instant name-recognition anywhere in the world, G and F are the leading places to be. And they're also great places to learn, build your network -- all those other things one expects to get at a top institution. I get that there are places that pay more. I suppose one way I could narrow my point to something we could agree on is that one similarity between F vs G and H vs S is that overall there's really no "wrong" choice in terms of any objective criteria, it's just a matter of which one is more right for you individually.
E5's base refresher was 120k which I believe pretty high. E4 was 70k. Then you need to apply your multiplier, mostly 1-1.5. So how's Google? I know Google's 401k is the best in the tech. But I don't know their stock refreshers.
Wow that's a lot refresher for E5 these days. I used to get slightly below 100k even with exceed.
base refresher or initial RSU?