I am PM 65 10yoe at Msft, another 10y outside of Msft as PM/TPM in consumer products. I am in Azure right now. TC: 340K I have two final offers after negotiations. Both role are in Seattle. I am told both are out of band and required approval: 1. Facebook TPM infra L6 TC ~ $510K ($230k/ 75k sign-on / 20% / $600k RSU) Pro: I have many friends at Facebook as pm / tpm and they all like it for the collaborative culture, benefits. Hard work but good WLB. I know a few people in team I am joining and they all love it (koolaid?) Cons: I am disappointed in comp. They can’t beat Amazon despite Facebook telling me they pay top of market. I also tried for PM job at Facebook marketplace but failed the loop for the data analysis part / lack of interview prep (last minute opportunity to do extra loop). I am told Facebook refreshers/bonus can make a big difference in comp after a few years vs Amazon where you don’t get much of anything (but FB refresher seem lower as TPM vs PM or Dev) 2. Amazon PM-T L7 AWS TC ~ $600K ($160k / 400k y1 / 300k y2 / $800k RSU) Pro: it is product manager role with strong technical depth. AWS is top Amazon product. Cons: worried about culture, WLB. I don’t know anyone at Amazon in AWS and the few Amazonian I know said you “learn a lot” but it sucks. Benefits are low end but comp make up for it. 3. I could stay at Microsoft Azure. Just got SSA and 66 promo in sight but not thrilled with current management and growth is SLOW for a crappy WLB in Azure. I don’t see a path to partner. #Facebook #Meta #amazon #TPM #PMT #pm #Microsoft
Meta - knowing people in the team is a huge plus. Meta can be chaotic and PSC is not fun but IMHO better than having the PIP sword hanging over you perpetually. Also with refreshers the TC difference is small.
What kind of refreshers is expected for L6 TPM at Meta?
Moved from an L7 PMT at Amazon to an L6 PM at Meta. I'd highly recommend coming to Meta, not just for WLB but also for comp. Amazon has put you at a mid-high L7 range, which means no increase until 2024. The stock has been flat. Even in, 2024 you would qualify for a meaningful (30-40k) only if you get to TT. FB refreshers are annual and generous at this level.
Hi, how’s the WLB for engineers at Meta?
I'm not an engineer but from what I see, it's much better than Amazon.
I would choose Facebook any day even though Amazon is paying a bit more. You have more opportunities to grow and make major impacts at FB while at Amazon, it’s like playing Russian roulette and hoping your team and org has a good culture. The additional money Amazon is offering may not be worth the headache down the line.
BTW, don't worry too much about PIP. never seen that hit a PM in my 6 years there.
You haven’t seen PIP for Amazon PM-T in your 6 years there? Is because of L7 or because of PM-T role ?
PMT role. I know of several devs in the teams I supported get pipped.
FB with stock appreciation will eventually reach the amazon TC, at least for the first 2 yrs
Really? Amazon stock has been growing like crazy last 5 years, faster than FB
you're right, I was just looking at the past year. Amazon has sort of hit a wall
which one will lead to higher TC after 2 years?
After two years, FB will be $1M with standard refresher / stock appreciation. Amazon would be in the $1.2M range because of sign on bonuses and appreciation on 20% stock
Not sure if the 20% growth is a given anymore
AWS is nightmare, go Meta thank me later
Fb, second year refresher would make ur tc similar to what Amazon offers let alone the stacking
What kind of refreshers for year 1 for L6 TPM at Fb?
Why not L7 at Google?
Not really excited about any of their product in Seattle
Google Maps?
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I’d say FB for WLB