It seems like I might be able to get promoted faster at fb. Trying to think of this from a long term career perspective instead of short term tc. —— Struggling to choose between e4 Facebook offer and l4 Pinterest. Both SWE - ML. I want to optimize for career growth, but still want some WLB. Both companies seem to have decently fast promotions. At Facebook I would need to choose the right team for WLB. Pinterest has great WLB but Ads org is more intense, or so I've read. I like to work and love what I do, but I have a life outside of work. I'm definitely worried about Pinterest in the news. I don't believe the acquisition will go through, but this is the second acquisition rumor in 2 years. Earnings report for snap has hurt FB and Pins stock, but this is worse for Pins. It does somewhat bother me that Pinterest has slightly higher pay, with potential better WLB, but I don't think the difference in pay should make the decision. I don't have FAANG or any great companies on my resume. I'm leaning towards FB, but worried that it's for the wrong reasons. L5 TC will be similar at both companies. 3 YOE. Pinterest pros: - WLB - Smaller company - Possible larger upside - Slightly higher base and rsu/ refreshers - I've already met the team and manager, they seem really great - especially the manager. Pinterest Cons: - No WFH in future - Uncertain future - Maybe worse brand. Facebook pros: - Fang gang - Possible upleveling at next company (maybe applies to pinterest) - Remote work possibilities. - Stable company. Safer stock. - Bonus somewhat makes up for less pay. - Possible higher refresher multipliers (these could be very hard to get) - Bootcamp and choosing teams, including team switch in future. Facebook Cons: - WLB potential - Slightly lower tc - Bigger company/ teams FB offer: Base: 170-175 RSU: ~400 Bonus: 17 Refresher: 80/ yr Sign-on: 75 tc: 287-292k + refreshers Pinterest offer: Base: 190 RSU: 450 Bonus: 0 Refresher: 106 Sign-on: 50 tc: 303 + refresher #Facebook #Pinterest #FANG #Careergrowth #WLB #Google #Apple #Amazon #Netflix #Airbnb #Robinhood #engineering #software #swe
Do you have a sign on bonus from fb? Definitely negotiate one since you have a strong competing offer Also e4 wlb at fb shouldn’t be that bad. There are some kinda incompetent e4s I work with and they manage to survive
Updated to show bonus. Thanks. Appreciate the perspective. I don't want to make a broad generalization on WLB, and I think I could be successful at FB.
Fb bonuses and benefits will pump that number up For ml take fb Pinterest is stressful I've heard
Definitely agreed on the benefits. It seems like the FB bonus + refresher roughly = Pinterest refresher. Although in most cases Fb is slightly less, though with higher multipliers in general.
No signon bonus?
Updated. Pin - 50, FB - 75
I’d go Facebook purely for the remote opportunity
Yes. I would not start remote. But long term, this is a good option. I think Pinterest (and most companies) will have remote option in < 2 years, but it currently doesn't, so I won't factor it in.
Pinterest already has I guess?
Pinterest for more money and better wlb. FB is worst choice in both, maybe you will get promo faster (maybe).
I view Pinterest and Airbnb as being in the gem company tier. Pinterest pay is sweet, but hard to tell on WLB. Also, the pay definitely depends on stock price. Also, if Pinterest is acquired, we don't know what will happen to refreshers.
Refreshers don't change othwrwise half the company will leave. Ex: lnkd acquired by msft. Your salary is peanuts for the company, they don't care if you make 50% more as long as there is growth.
What’d you do at BNY to get MLE positions?
ML Engineer. I started my career as DS and went MLE/ SWE - ML.
How did you find the transition? I’m currently DS eyeing MLE. Building systems sounds more interesting.
Org offers seem to be low for L5, 350-450 is the current norm for ML positions
Both l4. As far as I know ML is paid same as SWE unless you're doing research/ have PHD.
This tie is brutal. Perfectly mirrors my feelings. My brain says FB, gut says Pinterest, but gut is shifting to FB. I want to choose a company that I can be at for 2-3+ years. I don't know what Pinterest's future holds.
FB will be more stable in that regard. Paypal acquiring Pinterest does not bode well.
Agreed. I think that PayPal stock declining will make the deal fall through however, but acquisition isn’t a good sign. Snap stock declining due to ads rev/ apple privacy doesn’t bode well for Pinterest q3 earnings. I think the company is awesome but it may be the wrong time to get in.
I feel like I should have put comp as equal. Can’t tell if people are voting pin for the higher pay. I don’t know if stock growth will match fb, and i think it might even out. I’d love to hear from anybody who’s worked at Pinterest.
How do you know that the refresher for Facebook will be 80? I heard its 75 for meets expectations
You’re right. Will edit.
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I'd be more confident on Facebook being around in the future than Pinterest.
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