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15 years age difference, need advice! 🙏
My first job out of school was at a big tech company. For the first month, I shadowed the team, submitted tickets, and pushed code that made it to prod. Then, all of the new grad hires were put into training. I exceeded expectations in some areas, was average in others, and missed expectations in one. Those who missed at least one expectation were put on PIP and given a list of objective criteria to meet. Half of us quit immediately. I busted my ass putting in 60-80 hour weeks. I met all requirements except for two: A bug occurred during a specific action when I presented it. At the beginning of the PIP, I was told that if this happened and I fixed it on the spot, I would be fine. I fixed it in front of them on the spot. The second was that out of 100 pieces of documentation that I wrote (think Javadoc), two were inaccurate, which is true. Because of this, I failed to meet the criteria of the PIP and was fired. I was the only one who stuck it out to the end. While on paper, I failed to meet the criteria for the PIP, I have a strong hunch that it was due to my ineffective and infrequent communication, which frustrated some people. By the time I presented, it was too late. Since then I have attended improv and boxing classes and even hired a coach to help with social and communication skills as well as confidence. As a result of this experience, I have become a better software engineer, especially given that my background is in engineering, not computer science. However, I need to figure out how to address this situation with recruiters. Should I mention that I was laid off? Can I use my previous manager as a reference, even though he was not the ultimate decision-maker? I have a good relationship with my mentor, who has seen my growth and could provide a good reference, but how should he address the PIP? Ultimately, I want to minimize the impact of this experience and focus on my strengths. Previous TC: 140
Is this in the US? Such strict probation is unheard of in the US.
It is
No need to mention about pip. You can also tell the people who you are going to request feedback from to do the same. Everyone understands this, and that’s the last help your mentor can do to make your life better. By all means, if you are confident, do talk about pip. Most likely you won’t have time to explain yourself well. Even if you do, the other person might have lost interest because he/she might already be thinking that you are giving excuses. So many things could go wrong.
Say that it was not the right team fit. If pressed, mention something like the job was not the same as described because you were hired right before a reorg. Lie my friend! Job interviews are not therapy or confessions. It sounds like you were victimized for being quiet. Why should you pay for that?
WTF is the company??? Just wanted to know to stay millions miles away from it. My goodness, is this hunger games!!!!
Can’t say, and most of the experienced people I talked to said the same. However I did make some mistakes and am significantly better because of it. I’ll kill it in the next job
“I got laid off”
Honestly, this. Just lie, the morality police aren’t gonna come hunt you down.
I’m in the same situation. What does OP should say then? What if during background check they get to know that he was not laid off? For example the company mention that it was a non-regrettable attrition or he is ineligible for rehire.
This sounds like a 3rd world country tech company. I don’t believe this is FAANG. Not even Amazon. They asked OP to fix a bug in real time while being observed!?? I don’t believe it
+1, no reputable 1st world big tech company is pipping new grads in the first few months of hiring them
Sorry to hear you didn’t make it through the PIP. Marking someone down for inaccurate documentation is just a way to “manage you out.” Some companies use PIPs to get rid of people, and so it’s really difficult to survive a PIP. I wouldn’t take it as an indictment on your personal work ethic. Instead I would learn more about office politics… your manager could have had a quota to get rid of some people. Personally I would have used the time to find a new job instead of trying to the survive the PIP, but that’s okay, you can learn next time. Do not mention the PIP in job interviews. You can say there were layoffs. But use the time in interviews to focus on what you bring to the table, don’t focus on negatives.
Thanks for the insight. What are your thoughts on when they ask for a reference? I’m hesitant to refuse but also hesitant to give them a name in case the other person mentions PIP.
Tell them the company has a no reference policy. A lot of companies do this to protect themselves from liability.
Just skip it
Say you got laid off
Honestly you just addressed it. Said you were let go due to some blind spots you were made aware of in your work such as ineffective communication related to self confidence and you put forth the effort to train and work on yourself to improve your soft skills to compliment your praised hard skills