Yes I know the layoffs are bad right now. But advocating for unions just because the industry hit the first rough patch in years is just ludicrous. Union isn't going to save you from being laid off. But it will stop you from getting a raise over someone who worked in the company longer than you. The union will also limit the number of H1B the company can hire, ever thought about that? Look I'm all for unions for the middle class and people who already work for low wages. But for people making 200k+ in an industry that became successful because of it's "fail often, fail fast" culture is simply delusional.
200k is now the low wage level, I think
I agree there is inflation but it isn't that much either that 200k is a low income. Not sure where do u live ur how ur lifestyle is but i live in seattle, own a house, single, used to travel a lot but haven't traveled much since covid, and i can easily splurge a bit after paying for mortgage, car insurance etc. but at the same time I m not driven to buy branded stuff not sure how ur condition is though
You can buy a house in Seattle with 200k TC?
"The union will also limit the number of H1B the company can hire" This is supposed to be a negative?
This is a great reason not to have unions! I'm all for protecting H1Bs. Fuck unions!
There is no shortage of Americans, ready, willing, and able to do most of the work. H1Bs can be reduced.
I hate unions, they bring pay and benefits down by providing unnecessary procedures and "support".
The statistics show that unions raise income and benefits for workers.
I have been under one. I don't care about statistics as you can interpret it in a thousands ways. My experience was bad. It might be good for blue collar jobs but not for all job types.
Here's the deal. Tech jobs feel super stable for most people with less than 10 years experience (or that haven't been laid off yet in their career). Layoffs feel like a black mark when you're used to working for a company that offered lifestyle perks, because you just lost a part of your lifestyle. The reality is that layoffs are like being rear ended in a car ; they are almost never your fault. The dot com bubble was at least 5x worse than current conditions, a million jobs lost, and the percentage of tech workers affected was much higher. I'm not saying a layoff isn't traumatic, my first one took me six months to bounce back from. But it taught some great lessons. Set aside some of each feast for the upcoming famine, because winter is always coming. The trick is that, in tech, it can be years until the next winter. This is very much a "who moved my cheese" situation. Great quick read if you haven't yet.
Liked your comment, but not that book. Hated it actually. Assumes that someone has led a privileged life, and is encountering adversity for the first time.
Not necessarily, I read it differently. It can be complacency too if adversity was a long time ago. I feel it can be interpreted as "always stay hungry".
Unions breed mediocrity in my experience. I also found them to be full of nepotism, greed, favoritism, jealousy, and politics.
"I also found them to be full of nepotism, greed, favoritism, jealousy, and politics." Sounds like most tech jobs I've had, minus the union part.
And for that you get to pay union due! đ
Yes. They are obviously out of their mind. Is this surprising?
Capitalist propaganda has a chokehold on so many SWEs. You think youâre special because of your temporarily high TC, but weâre wage slaves like everyone else. If we donât advocate for ourselves we wonât make a lot of money for long. Doctors wouldnât get paid well if there werenât an AMA. We need some kind of control as a profession or our wages will be high five figures at best in no time.
"our wages will be high five figures at best in no time." Yeah I don't think it's that drastic. Especially now with gig work and quiet quitting.
Those phrases are meaningless. âGig workâ has existed for decades. âQuiet quittingâ is just called working your damn hours. Itâs all BS from some PR hack hoping to sway behavior. Add it to the pile with âresume gapâ and âjob hopperâ. Language to make you a docile and compliant little worker.
Unions where built on an industrial model based on a 1950âs economy. And some have opposed automation and advances in technology in the past. Being that can minimize the number of employees a company needs to operate impacting the membership numbers. In my opinion itâs not something suitable based on a system where workers are part of developing innovation that can displace unionized industries. Like self driving trucks displacing teamsters drivers. There is a reason the private sector doesnât have wide union adoption. In my opinion itâs a relic of the past based on the economy of bygone era that existed multiple generations ago. And the public sector which is unionized is not a organization that needs to generate a profit or compete in a modern economy. Imagine if your company operated like your local DMV.
NBA is a union, AMA is a union, major airline pilots also are unionized. Not saying unions are good but some of the criticisms are not supported by evidence.
AMA and NBA are in industries that donât really operate within traditional market forces. If you need medical care your not in a position to shop it around or put it off in many cases. Plus you need to be licensed to be a doctor or lawyer. And when it comes to legal people attempt to get the best representation they can afford in the area applicable to their needs, or best that will work on contingency which is also a licensed trade. You canât just practice law. So those arenât traditional trade unions. Plus many of their members have their own private practices and work for themselves and are not beholden to an employer. The AMA wasnât really fighting for increased hourly wages they where fighting for bill by service and avoidance of the single payer system to prevent medical care being competitive and people shopping doctors. Since Medicare basically sets the prices by listing what they will pay out for a procedure, treatment, or visit. And an employed doctor can be fired or sued pretty easily thatâs why they have malpractice insurance. Their focus is on protections from liability not so much job security and increased wages in the traditional sense like most unions. They are called unions but are really more like professional organizations or guild.
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They want to be the person that worked in the company for very long getting raises over better but newer engineers. So yes, new and better won't get promoted over old and coasting. That's half their point