Every western country is facing the problem of declining fertility rates. On average, a western female produces less than 2 children, and fertility rates are below replacement. If this is sustained over a long period, these countries will have to support a growing senior population with shrinking resources, and lose global influence. Also, forget about all the services you’re used to starting from skilled nursing all the way down to the Starbucks barista. You’ll either interact with robots or deal with inflation which makes todays prices look like a joke. If you accept this, then my point #1 is that without some way of getting the fertility rate higher, the US needs immigration to sustain the current lifestyle, benefits and services and provide for seniors in the future. If you concede point #1, the question is where do you source immigrants from. Western Europe, china, and Japan are staring at their own demographic death spirals. India is the only country which is English speaking, growing, with a youthful and educated population. Its window is now, and in 30 years it will also be an aging society. My point #2 is that given these advantages Indian immigrants possess today, it is the best place to source immigrants from. So why the hate for Indian immigrants, and why do we have a really messed up immigration process for these folks today?
To be honest. Don’t hate me if every non European white Christian left the US we would not need much help.
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> So why the hate for Indian immigrants, and why do we have a really messed up immigration process for these folks today? Is the long GC queue caused by opposition to Indian immigration?
Yes. Baked into the INA act is per country cap to act as a proxy for pre-civil rights per race cap. It is unconstitutional as it discriminates by national origin, however civil rights apply to people on HS soil. So the discrimination was snuck in to make civil right's progress palatable to right wing republicans.
I don’t think there is hate for Indian immigrants or immigrants generally among most Americans. I think a lot of the dislike from normal/moderate people comes from when immigrant populations refuse to adopt American values and/or try to force their values on Americans. Like why come to the USA if you don’t like American values?
I have Indian background and I totally agree with this. I am sick and tired of people coming here and sticking with their old way of life. Why torture yourself by coming here if you didn't like US and all that it stands for in the first place?
@snap @qualcomm can you give specific examples of unadopted American values and forced Indian values?
H1Bs take jobs from US Citizens. Also companies abuse you. Follow orders or get deported. Then they treat EVERYONE like that since they got away with it. So H1B program hurts everyone except CEOs who are already rich anyway.
Right abolishing per country caps on GC solves this issue as H1Bs will naturalize in <3y and not be beholden to exploitative waits.
If a city has one barber/doctor/nurse/plumber/.. and another moves in, they each make only half of what the first barber/... was originally making. If a city has one engineer/scientist/.. and a few more move in, they together make an awesome new product that everyone wants to buy and everyone in the city ends up richer, at the expense of the neighboring city with one engineer who can barely keep up with the volume of work he has. JMT. Engineering is not like other trades. There are positive externalities.
AI will do most human work. There is no need to bring in immigrants for coding or similar jobs or lower skill jobs. There will be great need for AI people and other scientists. To compete with India and China immigrants with these skills will be needed.
Why is declining fertility a problem? Low fertility poses some advantages: easing ecological pressures, preventing overcrowding and reducing the infrastructure costs that come with a growing population. With productivity increases, not as many people are needed to work. Inflation can be kept in check using existing tools. Your reasoning sounds contrived to arrive at the solution you want.
Not really — evolution needs to happen. If the next generation isn’t smarter or better than previous then we’ll be extinct. You answer focuses on short term but OP seems to be focusing long term
Because most systems around the world are financial pyramids that need young population, see every civilized first world country retirement systems
This will not be popular opinion. H1B folks seem entitled to get GC. It’s a privilege and not entitled. Second, the outsourcing companies have run riot with immigration and abused it so much and displaced Americans leads to ill will and a not welcome approach.
Citizenship was a right for a few hundred years if you were white. It’s still a right if you’re European. It just isn’t a right if you’re Indian or Chinese.
Things got to change as times change
Many Indian immigrants lead insular lives in the US and have no interest in assimulating culturally. Many also have no interest in becoming citizens, just want green cards. And they also complain endlessly about greencard waiting periods, as if they're somehow entitled.
They are entitled to equal treatment under law without discrimination on the basis of race, national origin, or gender. Race quotas are illegal.
They’re entitled as next door Russians, Jews, Nigerians immigrants as well. I’ve heard more cries from the other groups about their >1 year waiting period than Indians. Stfu.
sure US desperately needs arranged marriages and casta system. bring it on!
Caste system is not that bad as it seems, arranged Marriages suck tho
Caste system is horrible. Arranged marriages don’t suck as much as long as it’s arranged and not coerced.
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Not sure anyone opposes immigration. Immigration is great and the us wants the best folks from all over the world to come and assimilate.
Don’t make blanket statements like that. I’ve been away for Christmas and there’s been at least 50% Indians here. Every second American starts complaining to me about all the foreigners until they realize I am one too.