Google asking proof of competing offer

May 16, 2019 247 Comments

Hi Blind

I have cleared HC for L4 at Google. All through the process I made my recruiter aware of my competing offers. I got offers in the range of 250 - 300 TC but all are verbal offers and no actual offer letter yet as I did not accept. Now google recruiter is asking me for proof of other competing offers to present it to the compensation committee. I told the recruiter that I only have verbal offers and no offer letter. The recruiter is asking me to get some kind of proof in whichever way I can.

Is there a way to get any confirmation on the numbers without accepting the offer? Honestly I think this is not right on my recruiter's part asking for proof. It feels like Google is asking me to screw over other companies to get their numbers for them to match.

I can always go back and say that its NDA and I couldn't get confirmation without accepting but my main concern is Google not matching my competing offers because I couldn't provide proof.

What are my options here?

Any help is appreciated.

Edit: Recruiter only knows the name of the companies of my competing offers. He doesn't know the numbers.

TC: 145K

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  • Nvidia nv?
    You can ask Google to give you a written proof and let them know you need to see their offer before you can provide something more. That should at least maje then think about their own actions if nothing.

    Then go back to the other companies n confirm your offers in email. If they ask for competing offers, you have Google's offer to show
    May 16, 2019 20
    • Braintree BTGuy
      Try in my company. They will match and might not ask the proofs 😜
      May 18, 2019
    • Etsy / Data VlVT53
      This is ridiculous. Offers are a two-way street. I’ve never been given a verbal offer without, at minimum, email confirmation of the details before making a decision.

      Google is trying to squeeze you- already not a great sign.
      May 22, 2019
  • Google / HR
    rLnX48

    Google HR

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    Tesla Motors
    rLnX48more
    Recruiter here, we ask for the numbers because comp won't give us more money for our candidates. The proof is probably because the numbers are pushing the candidate outside the comp ranges so the comp team is asking for proof to push the candidate outside the bounds. Recruiters have no incentive to give a lower offer, we would give you more if we could.
    May 18, 2019 9
    • Oracle wrkrnode
      Square / SQ / 2*2, too agro bro. Hit the gym, do some reps and chill.
      May 18, 2019
    • Google giannis
      RLnX48 nailed it, this was my experience too. It’s actually pretty cool that google set it up so the recruiter can be on the candidate’s side.
      May 19, 2019
  • Google Mmkaay
    Send this email to your recruiters, it is what I did:


    Hi,

    So as per our phone conversation my offer is $x base, $y stocks.

    Are the stocks vested over 4 years or 5 years?

    Moreover, I need you to send me an explanation of benefits at your company”

    Make sure to send this as a reply to your long conversation with the recruiter. Let them respond to you and send a screenshot of the recruiter’s response to Google recruiter.

    It worked for me when one company refused to give anything in writing before I accept the offer.
    May 16, 2019 5
    • Salesforce CapHaddock
      Would the recruiter’s email/ name be in the screenshot?
      May 19, 2019
    • Google Mmkaay
      Yes, why not
      May 19, 2019
  • Apple imaj
    Every recruiting jackass thinks (s)he’s smartest and best and they could lowball a candidate. Don’t send that recruiter anything.

    Send them this “Dear Recruiter, I wouldn’t be able to share you a copy of offer letter from company A because it’s unethical, a breach of trust and it’s not relevant to our conversation. I would like the decision factor of pay should be based on my strengths and abilities, the impact I can make in the role and what I bring to the table. Now that you are aware of my expectations on the pay and market compensation, please do let me know what are your feasible numbers and I can let you know whether I’d be able to afford it. Once again thank you for your continued support and looking forward to working with you.”

    Above response should shut-up most of them and help move along in the process if they really like to hire you. Well, if they don’t like you that much you don’t want to play second fiddle anyway do you?
    May 18, 2019 1
    • Amazon bnhujb
      Wow, just wow. Wish I knew this my past 2 switches. But then again Amazon frugal.
      May 19, 2019
  • Intuit Merc77
    Fuck google, it’s a candidate market, not everyone wants to work at google.
    May 18, 2019 8
    • Activision Blizzard 86753on
      That doesn’t even make sense.
      The person with the visceral reaction claims the other person is the one with issue? Lol, sure man
      May 19, 2019
    • Oracle / IT
      l00tb0x

      Oracle IT

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      Ericsson, National Instruments
      l00tb0xmore
      Nice try. Why so upset?
      May 19, 2019
  • Google richmand
    If you have an offer, show it. What's the big deal?
    Don't listen to the wannabes who are not at Google
    May 18, 2019 2
    • Spotify hsiaiu8181
      Ugh shut up
      May 18, 2019
    • Seagate toti420
      @OP: Beggars can’t be choosers! If you so badly want to join Google, take the offer. If you feel you’re worth more, don’t tell the recruiter jack shit. Let them come up with an offer first. Then you either accept, reject, or counter with a higher number. Grow a pair and show confidence in yourself.
      May 18, 2019
  • CenturyLink ml7hsg6
    Listen to me, I did this earlier this week with google. The recruiter asked me for proof but I said I can’t share a written offer letter/ numbers with you. All I have is verbal and she still got back to me with the revised numbers. Don’t think too much, be bold.
    May 17, 2019 7
    • CenturyLink ml7hsg6
      If you need numbers, they improved their offer by 50K/ year
      May 18, 2019
    • Microsoft office o
      Ohh yeah FB.
      May 18, 2019
  • Microsoft seagull
    Ask the recruiter to make you an offer first. It’s a dance and negotiation will happen after the first set of numbers are on the table. Tell the recruiter that you really want to join G so the other offers are not relevant to the conversation at the moment. So, let’s just hear the offer first.

    Yes, they can ask for proof of your counters because they think they have the upper hand. If you are willing to walk away, then you can stick to the truth of your situation and hold your ground.

    I know a couple of friends who got their offers (not from G but other big tech companies) matched without having to provide proof of counter offers. The hiring managers wanted to hire my friends enough to take them at their word. So, yes, maybe it’s a general requirement for G.
    May 16, 2019 8
    • Clover Health sinkinship
      But it sounds like OP doesn't want to flip this.
      May 18, 2019
    • Facebook RazPutin
      Perhaps wrong terminology on my part. What I mean is, by placing G in the position of being asked to provide information of their formal offer, they have two options:

      1. Provide the offer in writing
      2. Decline to provide the offer in writing

      With #1 OP has something formal that can then be used if need be.

      With #2, OP can then counter Gs request of formal offers from the other companies on the basis that G declined said request.

      I think that makes more sense...
      May 18, 2019
  • Google / Eng
    sqrt(-1)

    Google Eng

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    Top Contributor or GTFO
    sqrt(-1)more
    A verbal offer is not an offer.
    May 18, 2019 2
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    • Google / R&D clay
      Google's offer was verbal. They didn't send me anything written until I accepted the verbal offer.
      May 19, 2019
  • New WQfd76
    Go ahead with the competing offer bullshit. As an exec at large company where tons of people for jobs, I can tell you that unless you have at least 10 patents under your belt, you aren’t going to be worth the hassle. You are a dime a dozen dude. If you are really that good, you just set expectations and negotiate. The fact that you have competing offers and you are trying to use that for more money tells me that you either don’t have a job right now or you are about to be out of one.
    May 18, 2019 4
    • Microsoft 🐁Pinky😜
      "Exec at large company." Sounds legit 🤣
      May 19, 2019
    • JOANY / Mgmt e^(iπ)+1=0
      Yeah, cause execs aren't a dime a dozen either 😂😂😂
      May 19, 2019

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