Google recruiter tell me Facebook levels are lower scope
A google recruiter has been emailing me for a while and I finally gave in and talked to him. I'm an E7 at Facebook and I did pretty well and grew relatively fast at Facebook. When I asked the recruiter which level they are considering me for he said L6. I said WTF why should I even consider that then he tells me that level if scope at Google is higher and the levels are not equivalent. I think that is BS and Google tries to low-ball. What do you think? Just because I don't have too many years of experience am I automatically discredited? They didn't even bother to ask me about the scope I am currently working on.
If anything, performance expectation at google is much lower for the same level at Facebook. It is short sighted to say that only comp matters, not level. Your future comp (refreshers, salary hike) depends on level. Don't take googles bs.
lol they're definitely low balling you. And that's because they can. People are lined up at the door trying to get into Google. Facebook is no joke either, but it's like comparing an entry level Ferrari (Google) to a top of the line ZR1 corvette (Facebook). No one outside of extreme car enthusiasts will know the difference between a base corvette and a ZR1 corvette at first glance, all they know is you drive a corvette and someone else drives a Ferrari and they'll assume the Ferrari person is more successful. That's how it goes with Google. It has more prestige and positivity associated with its name of being where smart people work (and it was the number 1 company to work for on the Forbes list going on ten years). Facebook is high up there too but it's not number 1 on that list (other niche lists, yea), and if it was not for that long a time either. At top companies, it's not uncommon for many high ranking folks take a level down to goto work for a high ranking competitor. I had two former CEO's as my manager and skip at Apple. Our director was the former CTO for a large very well known tech firm. At Google they had Harvard MBA's taking sales calls. Facebook has some top notch people too. But sorry to say unless you're a well known name or have some super niche talent that's immediately in demand, you're not coming over at equal levels at L7 at Google, Apple, or even Microsoft. There's too many people who have put in their time there waiting for their chance for that level that you would be passing up as an unknown outside hire. If you really want to work with Google, go take the offer. L6 is still very senior at Google. If you prefer upward moves and Google is an afterthought or nice to have only, then go get better offers. Amazon may offer you L8 (Director) if you are CEO in waiting level talent and have shown you can launch a new category for them and bring in a half a billion or more in cogs. If you're on the tech side you could definitely get principal engineer L7 at Amazon if you have met Facebook's L7 bar and didn't just osmosis into it from earlier, easier times (they have a special swat team dedicated to recruiting you). All the best.
Keep in mind at Goog you have to do your own laundry.
They have free laundry at fb but not Google?
Also free but no laundry person.
You understand that this is full of wrong information outside pairwise comparison among the big 4 ?
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L6 at Google is pretty high. No one at Google can easily reach L6. I have seen a lot of talented L5 senior engineers failed to get promoted to L6. I am actually impressed that someone outside got an offer as L6. It is not unusual that people who have 10+ years experience start from L5.
L6 was like god 10 yeas ago. These days Google's promo process has become pretty arbitrary. While there is a lot of talented engineers stuck at L5, I have seen a lot of people moving to L6 just by being in a good team for long enough.
Google matches comp at level, and after working a lot with E7 and E8 at Google, levels at Facebook are the same.
15-20% of Googlers make it to 6. Same holds at FB. FB arguably promotes faster E4-E5, but that's really about it.
I literally had an eng director at goog tell me that maybe zuck would be an l7.
Wut? Seriously?
I heard this rumor multiple times - unfortunately there are arrogant, fools at every company. Majority of engineers at Google are smart, talented people who wouldn't say the above. Honestly don't know how useful it is to keep bringing up - "there once was a person at company X who said something dumb". I am sure there have have been plenty of incidents for FB engineers as well :)
@mcnugget there was a time when MS folks used to say similar things about google. These type of selective blindness makes large incumbents vulnerable to disruptive innovation.
Titles are mostly meaningless.. its compensation that matters. If you get paid the same + more as an L6 at Google, go for it. If you really think you deserve to be L7 then there's more headroom for you to grow compensation-wise.
Yeah total comp matters more
I don't think that is accurate. What if I'm given more money but less freedom, less scope and less independence. Right now I am running multiple efforts across company. There are so many staff engineers at Google, I'm pretty sure they don't have as much scope and freedom as much as E7 at Facebook. My compensation is also close to 1M. If Google is ready to go over than it's surprising to put me at staff and ask me to write day to day code instead of giving me more responsibility and leadership role.