Work VisaSep 22, 2018
PwCnMyV28

H4 visa was always wrong

Disclaimer: I’m Indian and I think H4 visa is absolutely unfair for American Citizens While I think that even the execution of H1B visa is debatable (it’s a speciality occupation visa whereas most H1B workers bring in no special skills), I think H4 visa was always a slap on the American’s face. You could still argue for a H1B visa that it’s survival of the fittest. But, for H4, you’re bringing in a person who may or may not have any differentiating skills but they’ve the privilege to take an American’s job. The government of America’s job is to first serve the best interests of American citizens, not outsiders. To my fellow Indians, Please don’t counter with your argument of “uprooting” yourself and “making large sacrifices”. Let’s be real. We’re not benevolent, altruistic people trying to help America. We all come here to serve OUR best interests, for a better quality of life. We are always aware of the uncertainties and risks involved but we take that as the benefits exceed the risk.

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Amazon Bdbsbd Sep 22, 2018

Not all H4’s can work, only “certain” spouse of H1B’s who have their I140 approved and waiting for their Greencard number to become current are allowed to apply for EAD. You fail to understand the real problem and I think you have lost a little credibility making uniformed statements.

Aurora life-rolls Sep 22, 2018

Wisdom shines bright, in this one. Feels desire to share, when none asked. Like a Shepard herding incited trolls. 👍🏾

Nordstrom executer Sep 22, 2018

I think Survival for the fittest should be the rule. No country restrictions.

Aurora life-rolls Sep 22, 2018

Hell yeah! Just like ma-daddy used to roll, like Gladiators. Kill the other mo-fo! Survive.

PwC nMyV28 OP Sep 22, 2018

Survival of fittest argument *may* work for H1Bs, but how does it work for H4? Such an assumption that H4s are fitter than Americans

Amazon Bdbsbd Sep 22, 2018

The real problem is H1B gives a path to permanent residence and you have a per country cap for green card but not for H1B, guess what happens? You need to have a country cap both both or none because it’s naturally creating a backlog from more populous countries with a cap for green card. The whole H4 EAD thing would be non existent if there were no backlog.

PwC nMyV28 OP Sep 22, 2018

H1B was always defined as a temporary visa. I don’t understand where the entitlement of permanence comes from

Amazon Bdbsbd Sep 22, 2018

H1B is a dual intent visa, you’ve lost all credibility my friend. Please stop making a fool out of yourself.

Amazon 12356.$/8/ Sep 22, 2018

I believe H4 visa rule should not be allowable for low-skilled labor. But, for high skilled labor such as tech, it shouldn’t go because it’s difficult to find such talent. Think about a person who is very high-skilled and cannot work just because he/she doesn’t have work authorization. He/she doesn’t even get an opportunity to prove his/her skills. How is that fair? What are your thoughts?

Amazon Bdbsbd Sep 22, 2018

Such an ignorant statement, and who are you to decide what’s high skilled and low skilled? Ask your mom who raised you, to me that’s the highest skilled labor.

Google skillet Sep 22, 2018

Here is something I can suggest if you want to fix fairness. Go tell your row friends how an unskilled eb2 petitions jump lines ahead of a skilled eb2 or eb3. Don't believe me, check the criteria for eb3 here. Still think I am nuts - check what is the Lca pay myvisajobs for eb3 and you will see thousands anf thousands of iranians last few years paid 10-20k. These folks got their GC before others for the only reason they were born in another country. Skills isn't the criteria here. It has never been the criteria either. If that were, even family immigration which is 10 times more than eb visa would never exist . In case you didn't know, every year there are a million folks who enter the country directly on a green card. The only 'achievement' they are vetted is being a blood born relative of a citizen. How are you not opening your mouth against that? H4 EAD is 30k / year and the overall immigration is 1.1 million. Guess what, math tells you it is 3%. Proportions my friend, everything is proportions!

Uber qOQs41 Sep 22, 2018

If you believe h1b workers benefit the American economy then the upside of h4 employment is it helps to retain the h1bs.

Qualcomm $/# Sep 22, 2018

^ This. I would leave US if my spouse can’t work, forever waiting for green card and my kids too. They don’t have to be doing hi-tech jobs. An engineers spouse doesn’t have to be an engineer. So slow h4-ead and make h1b stricter to budget for the extra workforce being added along with H1.

PwC nMyV28 OP Sep 22, 2018

Well, I guess then you will be leaving in 4 months because H4 is about to end. Will you leave? I doubt

LinkedIn Sep 22, 2018

You’re an idiot. Be realistic. Are you a slave? Then why are you treated like one? I’m a professional, here because an American company needs me. I don’t want any compromise for my family for that. I would have if I were trying to come here at any cost but that’s not the case. My skills have high demand in most countries then why does my family face restrictions. India became free 70yrs back but some idiots like you can never have freedom in their life

Salesforce Uggghhh Sep 22, 2018

I am in favor of keeping h4 EAD but I do have a questions based on your comment. If you don’t want any compromises for your family and if your skills have high demand in the most countries, then why don’t you leave the US? Is anyone forcing you to stay here?

Mesosphere onsie Sep 22, 2018

Mostly because the OP invested time in building relationships here and doesn’t want to uproot them.

Google Folaad Sep 22, 2018

Don’t agree with this. When you move companies, relocation bonus covers complete family. Just like that, if US wants me to work here efficiently, then they will have to provide some incentives to my family. Also with h4 your spouse just becomes eligible for work, nobody is giving you job on silver platter. if there are better US candidates then companies can just choose them. So we are not stealing anyone jobs.

Microsoft Rainbo Sep 22, 2018

If visas are unfair then so is international trade. Imagine how much money America makes by selling software and services to developing countries.

Salesforce Uggghhh Sep 22, 2018

What? Please don’t talk BS.

Microsoft Rainbo Sep 22, 2018

Lol.. Why? So you are ok when US can mint money and cry foul when they are not able to sell ?

Intel qreeyus Sep 22, 2018

If it's survival of the fittest for H1B Visa holders, it's the same even for H4 Visa holders. The EAD just makes them eligible for applying to jobs - it's not like they are given jobs without any interviews because they have an EAD.