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If you’re a solid engineer at an elite tech company, what’s it like to switch to a boring no name enterprise software or IT firm? I’m imagining something like Initech from the movie Office Space. Do you become a God to your coworkers, a 2x engineer among 0.2x engineers? Or is everything so mind numbingly dull that life loses meaning?
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One of my friends went from Google to Amazon. I can ask him about his experience if you want.
To be fair, Amazon is part of FAANG and no way bottom tier
I interned at a tier 3+ company where I'm basically the rockstar leading FTEs on technical discussions.
I think we’d rather just
You would hate your life. Imagine being the smartest person in the room and constantly cleaning up their messes. Now imagine working for a boss who wasn’t even smart enough to understand the value you bring.
"Imagine being the smartest person in the room and constantly cleaning up their messes."-> why so much entitlement? Non FAANG people in the shit tier company are also smart. I worked in two other shit tier companies. With decent leetcode these people can go to FAANG (and indeed I saw some of them already went).
LeetCode != Smart. :)
People everywhere write easy, boring code for business logic. you spend a lot of time figuring out requirements and getting consensus. Are you going to be faster than other people at that?
I went to a not-so-bottom tier company for more TC (like 30% more) Hated it and decided to come back. Company is not that bad but I got shut down by manager too many times that I couldn't do my own thing or run my own projects. So, I came back. Amazon is no fairly tale, but that one company managed to be worse. Yikes.
I went from Amazon (L5, HV, not once rated TT or LE) to Marathon Petroleum and then to JPMC. I took an almost 50% pay cut the first time and got $50k of it back going to the bank. By my second or third month at MPC, I was on four or five teams: development, security, cloud, and devops (and had more than four bosses) and was incorrectly treated as godlike. Five teams if you count the fact that for 90% of my work I was a team of one. I effectively replaced the senior architect. I got a reputation for being a hungry machine of hunger, because I'd just quit Amazon and didn't know how to turn it off. Downside was by the end of the first year I went from 20 hours of work total to over 40 hours of meetings alone. I got more emails than a project manager, averaging mid several hundred per day. I ended up with a project manager to myself(!) - yes, it does sound like a secretary by any other name- and a product manager rode my various one-man teams in to directorship of the PMO. I got the feeling they had rarely done any project on time or on budget. When I resigned they refused to accept it once, offered me part time, asked me to consult... after just a year, apparently no one else could keep their systems running correctly even though the one thing I am godlike at is documentation. I wrote 600+ pages of very good technical writing that a teenager could use to rebuild everything, build integrations, learn APIs, learn infra. This is my one and only experience of being a '10x' engineer, and only because processes were so ill-defined that I was able to insert myself in everything without really trying. When I switched to JPMC, it was a balance of the two. It's definitely slower, has downtime, has extremely regulated processes so that downtime is enforced instead of deciding to pick up some other team's project in the lull, but is full of generally intelligent people who just aren't hustlers like Amazonians. I'm an 'exceeds most expectations' engineer here, not TT.
Awesome story 💪
What is TT and LE? Also, why did you go to these other companies? I'm assuming you could have gone to tier2 or 3 companies that would have good WLB
My first internship was in one. Made them $3 million in 10 weeks while being paid 18$/h lol
That's insane
Lmfaoo you deserve at least 1% of that
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