How do I move from a shitty biz role to something that pays more?

Rogers / Product SDDx
Jan 20 22 Comments

Happy Monday blind, I need some advice.

I went to a top canadian business school for my undergrad and I’m currently working in agile product development as a business analyst (APM essentially) at a large company.

TC: 60k

How do I make the move into a higher paying role? Do I go back to school for SE, do I stay in the PM track, should I try recruiting for a bay area job?

Anyone been in the same boat before? #businessanalyst #productmanagement #tc #compensation #toronto #bayarea

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    • OP your ceiling isnt that high. The ceiling on the bankers (business majors) is well into the millions. And say what ever you want about how important you are at GS because none of it matters, you'll always be a cost center.
      Jan 20
    • Goldman Sachs andvdu
      True, I am a cost, a very expensive one :) Also there are like 50 bankers at GS that make millions, and a handful were SWE.
      Jan 20
  • Microsoft jzjcjd
    Ignore the people who tell you to get a CS degree or leetcode. You can do a fairly good business career in tech, without writing a single line of code.

    Your best bets are to get a:

    - Non-tech Prod Mgmt position at Amazon - they love MBAs and although your salary won't be as high as for tech PMs, it will definitely be higher than current; you can build your skill set and then move to other tech
    - Marketing position at big tech - for example, MSFT pays reasonably well for these (probably double or triple of your current salary)
    - Strategy position at big tech - not sure if they have entry-level roles though
    - VC position
    Jan 20 2
    • Rogers / Product SDDx
      OP
      Thanks for the in depth response. I’m looking at getting my MBA, any program or schools that are good targets?

      I’ve also applied to a few strategy roles, but haven’t had any luck in hearing back. What can I do to improve my odds?
      Jan 20
    • Microsoft jzjcjd
      Apologies, I misread that you already have an MBA. You can do options #1 and #2 without an MBA. For #3 and #4 you need an MBA. I'm not a fan of MBAs, but you can't go wrong with top 5.

      If you want to do #1 or #2, you can increase your chances by immersing more in tech. You don't need to learn actual coding, but you should know the basics of CS, programming, data, and how tech products work and succeed. Participate in hackathons and events, team up with technical folks to work on projects.
      Jan 20
  • OpenTable Meliodas
    Stay in the PM track, move towards consumer facing products that are profitable with high margins.
    Jan 20 2
    • Rogers / Product SDDx
      OP
      Any recommendations to fast track the PM track? My org typically only hires PM’s with 10-15 yoe and even still their salary is around $120-150k.
      Jan 20
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Move to a smaller company willing to take risks on inexperienced PM’s, then iterate.
      Jan 20
  • Ironclad / Legal ⌐(ಠ۾ಠ)¬
    Leetcode University
    Jan 20 0
  • Zello DdLV16
    Not everyone can code, not everyone can sell, not everyone can lead, not everyone can organize.... figure out what you can do then find a lucrative role that is aligned with your skills, then figure out what you need to break in
    Jan 22 1
    • Tyler Technologies batwomannn
      Yes they can they just need to be interested in it and try hard enough.
      Jan 22
  • Bell it9450
    Come to Bell, TC is $75k for BA role
    Jan 20 0
  • Visa bTbC11
    Take some udemy courses on relevant technical skills thats relevant to your industry & job and learn how to apply what you learned to your role at work to work on new projects and skill build that way.

    In addition,start to understand office politics & building strategic relationships with people that are doing the work you want to do that pays more & lastly do some informational interviews to gather relevant info!
    Jan 20 0
  • Expedia Group huddled
    I dont know if a CS degree is needed, but you either need very strong technical skills (not just an MBA, they are a dime a dozen) that will allow you to transfer your abilities to different companies (job hop to increase your comp) or become a subject matter expert that makes you less dispensable. The latter requires some luck (that everything aligns well) The former is more in your control.
    Jan 20 0
  • Citadel Securities Xnrs10
    You don’t have to be in a tech company to have a tech-related business career. If dollars are important to you, go join an investment bank and try to get assigned to tech deals. Or play the long game and do consulting with an eye towards CXO roles in 10 years.
    Jan 20 0
  • VMware pqrstb
    Contribute more to the product in your current role and start pushing ideas like a PM would. Try to transition to PM internally. That will make it easier to get PM roles outside.
    Jan 20 0

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