How to tell manager my pay is not at par with Apple?

Nov 24, 2019 29 Comments

Hello! I got a verbal offer from Apple a year ago which went nowhere because the req was not approved by the Sr VP at Apple. They said they hired someone else before me who got the req. It was a bummer to me as it happened after i got the verbal offer and negotiated. Anyway, I have moved on to Amazon from Intel (didnt bother to update my blind account login). My Amazon pay in 2019 was a little less than what Apple offered me verbally in 2018. Recently the recruiter from the same group from Apple poached me saying we are getting a req. and we would like to consider you, are you interested. I am at Amazon since half a year and have excellent relationship and support from my coworkers. I am very happy. However, i am not happy that my pay is little less than what Apple offered me (about 10k less). How to bring this up to manager? Shall i go in to Apple for interview and try getting a written offer? I am also bit upset with them for wasting my time last year but I saw these kind of things happened at Intel too where req wasn't approved even if candidate was excellent. Thoughts? I honestly can talk anything with my current manager. He is a great person, but i am not sure how to get the raise i would like. At Amazon we get sign on bonus and stocks esting over 4 yeaes and from my understanding pay will be flat for 4 years. I do have great work life balance thanks to my manager and supportive coworkers at Amazon. I also like that i can work on multiple areas and develop breath of skills. I am hesitant to risk it and look like a grasshopper in my resume. Though Apple is intriguing. However I do not want them to waste my time again.

T: 315k for next 4 years. 12 yoe+PhD, EE, HW.
Apple verbal offer was 325k in 2018 (i couldnt use it in 2019 for counteroffer cos it went nowhere at that time)

Both Bay area

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TOP 29 Comments
  • Amazon p997
    I wouldn't sweat a 10k difference at that pay level. Especially if you have a good manager and like your team. Those things are not always easy to find, especially at Amazon.
    Nov 24, 2019 3
    • Intel McComic
      OP
      Exactly. Also my coworkers are like angels treating me so well where all i can do is work hard and succeed. I also got huge responsibility and have great visibility. Maybe i can openly chat about this with my manager. They dp undersyand it is a challenge not to lose people to Apple. My friends go to work on Sundays at Apple which I cannot do!
      Nov 24, 2019
    • Amazon p997
      Also not sure if Apple offer is bay area but I think you can reason the cost of living and tax differences.
      Nov 24, 2019
    • Intel McComic
      OP
      Just updated my post. Both bay area.
      Nov 24, 2019
  • Amazon tVWw77
    Tell your manager that your pay is not on par with Apple
    Nov 24, 2019 2
    • Amazon TDKU11
      Lol he makes over $300k and is asking for $10k bump. Anyone else think this is ridiculous
      Nov 24, 2019
    • Apple hIHA48
      Agreed completely. Good team, good manager, good WLB. You’d risk those for 10k before tax? Nuts
      Nov 24, 2019
  • Apple disiqlaoa
    For 10k extra, does not sound like worth the time and effort. Is Apple giving you more money?
    Nov 24, 2019 2
    • Intel McComic
      OP
      I can figure by interviewing and potentially wasting energy again. But maybe this time i will get the written offer given they see I moved on to Amazon.
      Nov 24, 2019
    • Apple disiqlaoa
      I would ask Apple recruiter to clarify the level and salary range for this role first before interviewing
      Nov 24, 2019
  • Google ptdvb
    Tell Apple that TC needs to be revised... You are interested but you like current company manager coworker and the project. You need some incentive to leave all this. if the difference becomes significant, move.
    Nov 24, 2019 1
    • Tesla amigoz
      Agreed^
      Nov 24, 2019
  • New / Eng lHpK84
    If you're sweating a 10K diff at those levels I'd suggest a therapist to work out your anxiety and insecurity issues instead of blind.

    If 10k bothers you maybe you're team isn't as great as you think. I'd take a 10k cut to have an awesome team and know many who would.

    Nobody wants to work with a bunch of stuck up assholes
    Nov 24, 2019 0
  • E*Trade / Finance cbEV72
    I wouldn’t bother for 10k bump
    Nov 24, 2019 0
  • Microsoft / Eng amnotblind
    In my experience, Apple's practices came out to be too rigid and out of times...when I spoke to them ,they were demanding every ounce of details from my work, but they weren't even ready to tell me what team they were considering me for (beyond some very high-level detaisl which meant close to nothing)...I had serious concerns from that experience...they came across as very arrogant.
    If they like you so much, why dont they consider your performance from your past candidature and proceed with presenting you a formal offer? why ask you to interview again within 6 months?
    Nov 24, 2019 2
    • Intel McComic
      OP
      Its over 6 months now. It was August last year for my onsite.
      Nov 24, 2019
    • Microsoft / Eng amnotblind
      I'd still give that a try....since they had clearly liked you and extended a verbal offer...that you did not get a formal offer is a technicality ( a mismanagement on their part)
      Nov 24, 2019
  • Amazon Jeb fezos
    10k is too less , don't interview unless you get 50k bump atleast
    Nov 24, 2019 1
    • AT&T
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      Nov 24, 2019
  • Intuitive Surgical czmM52
    I was told that moving companies want worth it for less than 10%. And realistically 20%+

    Moving companies will always trade off knowns for unknowns. If you are happy where you are, you shouldn't even think about moving for anything that won't make a significant difference in your comp. 10k... Even at half your comp isn't worth it.
    Nov 24, 2019 0
  • Discover Financial Services qwerty-/:
    Don’t even think of leaving a great team and manager you described for that 10k bump
    Nov 24, 2019 0

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