âWhereas American women were paid 18 percent less than their male colleagues doing similar work in 2013, according to the last comparable study, the âunexplained pay gapâ was just 5.7 percent in Iceland â and itâs about to shrink further.â https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/01/04/icelands-trying-to-close-the-gender-pay-gap-by-publicly-shaming-companies/
Glad to see Iceland leading the way on this issue. Weâve made progress here, but still have quite a ways to go.
Until what? Until it's illegal to pay women less than men?....I have news for you, and it may come as a surprise...
Until woman are paid equal... Iceland is closer to it
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This brings a smile to my face. Itâs also so funny how the menâs rights trolls get so agro when anyone posts under the Women in Tech topic. Silly boys đ
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Scanning through the comments here. Maybe I missed but Iâm not seeing any âmenâs rightsâ posts or anyone going âagroâ.
Perhaps Icelandic women are not diversity hires and get hired from the same pool as mentioned with no quotas? Women in America are mollycoddled af
Sounds like you feel threatened.
Threatened by who/what?
I realize i am only supposed to cheer because doing otherwise makes me a bad person and supposed evil âmenâs rightsâ supporter, but.. Letâs look at reality. Enforcement is going to be a bitch (yea yea some women will call me misogynist for using that word) as the article points out: âSo far, sanctions could rarely be enforced due to the lack of a mechanism to compare wages adequately.â And also... âThe certification requirement might help root out the âunexplained gender pay gap,â but is unlikely to reduce the larger âexplainable pay gapâ (for example due to differing working hours in paid work),â concluded StefĂĄn Ălafsson, a researcher with the University of Iceland, in a summer 2017 report for the European â We all want equality, but i feel that equality should start with cultural change. This bit here is a hack that will cause more problems down the road. In every revolution having to do with culture, you can be mlk or you can be malcom x. I feel this is the latter. It is ostensibly a step in the right direction, but the resentment it will create actually will take two steps back.
Enforcement doesnât have to be a bitch. Enforcement is actually a bitch in the states with onus of proof being on the employee who has no access to pay information, with peers that are discouraged from discussing pay, potential retaliation for suing, the expense of suing, the headache of it... and all the other predatory and semi-predatory tactics companies use. As far as explainable gender pay gap goes - itâs actually interesting to see what those are. And lastly, cultural change has very much occurred in Iceland. It also has courted in a lot of European countries. It still has to occur in the states, which has historically lagged in the aspect of social evolution every step of the way.
âEnforcement is actually a bitch in the states with onus of proof being on the employee â Doesnât make sense to me. The law is a regulation on the employer. Maybe you are misreading it? If you are thinking pay in general, do you think it is fair to be able to say âi think you are not paying me enough. Itâs your burden to prove I am wrong.â In what world is his fair? This violates a lot of what Americans (and the world) held to be âself evidentâ as it is generally the case that the burden of proof is on the accuser. Otherwise, everyone would go around accusing people of all sorts of stuff. Here, I am reminded if the witch hunt and mccarthyism? Read the article. You are bringing up points already answered in the article... e.g. why it is a bitch to enforce. Itâs also not free to enforce. They need agents to audit, etc. The explainable pay gaps are briefly discussed in the article and also in the report by the person referenced. Cultural change on this issue has not occurred in Iceland. Otherwise why do they need this law? A law is not an indication of cultural change. It is an attempt at changing it. Sometimes it fails to do its purpose (e.g. prohibition). The problem people failed to recognize is that behavioral change takes time. Attempts at speeding it up can backfire. A hypothesis of why Trump won is exactly this: a reaction to the leftâs highly aggressive, progressive, and forceful attempts at forcing a worldview on everyone. Now you may argue that this worldview is inevitable and will happen anyway, and I would agree. However, a malcom x like treatment causes a reaction that is more detrimental to progress. My views are far left, but I favor an mlk and ghandi approach to change.
Does this mean women will get paid the same regardless of their education and years of experience? I understand thatâs the loophole US companies use to pay women less.
Lol. "loophole".
Will women be paid equivalent to men for doing equivalent work as men? Or just free ride?
You donât really believe what you just posted, do you? Everyone knows whether they admit it or not that women arenât getting a free ride.
Not saying women are getting a free ride right now but this equal pay just coz you are a woman makes zero sense
Paying women the same amount for equal output makes perfect sense. This isnât happening in many cases, and it needs to change.
[citation needed]
We all believe in equal pay for equal output. This has never been up for debate. This is even unfair among men only population. But none of the datasets people have presented address this issue. However, if you question the data, then inevitably some feminist will start name calling âmenâs rightsâ etc. We can never arrive at the truth if people keep doing that.
Most underpaid people are under leveled or under ranked for performance instead of underpaid for the same leveled. Loopholes right there.
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Itâs a good thing thatâs illegal in the US too.
Haha that didnât take long for someone to have their masculinity hurt
Try telling a court that youâre paying someone on the basis of their gender and see how well it holds up. Or tell the court you donât pay black people the same as asians, or homosexuals the same as heterosexuals, or Muslims the same as Christians.