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I provide mentoring to several ppl who graduated from the same college as myself. This allows me to learn into how various companies, including Amazon and Meta, treat their employees. While certain lesser-known startups may subject their employees to unfavorable conditions, I'm specifically referring to companies with ratings of 3.6 stars or higher on platforms like Blind and Glassdoor. Here are some noteworthy observations: Regarding Amazon (the obvious stuff): - Practices such as stack ranking, PIP culture, and an emphasis on performance are evident. The company often attracts Type-A personalities, alongside assertive product management, with transitions from TPM to SDM sometimes leaving SDE2/3 individuals behind. - The promotion process seems endless, among other issues. However, through conversations with numerous individuals, I've got additional insights: - Amazon seldom resorts to immediate termination, leaving it to extreme circumstances such as sexual harassment or fraud. - "Silent layoffs" aren't a common practice, although some Focus cases are questionable. Even in such instances, employees often resign rather than being terminated by Amazon, which typically takes months (instead of a couple of days in some other companies). - Notably, Amazon's employment contracts do not have arbitration clauses, a legal provision that can severely limit an employee's recourse to lawsuit in the event of a dispute. Such clauses, in my view, unfairly favor employers and should be prohibited by law. You should look it up if you don't know what Arbitration means in job offers. Regarding the arbitration clause, my information might be outdated, so I'm open to corrections if your experience is different. I'm not defending Amazon, I think they have lots of stuff to improve. I just think that some other famous companies treat their employees even worse than Amazon... so do your due diligence before joining. TC: $350k YOE 11
Well articulated
Amazon is bad, yes but, being employed there is worst. Yes again
If your bar for an employer is "They are ok because they don't immediately fire you, only torture you throughout your existence within the company via weird/nonsensical people churning policies" I suspect you have a very low self esteem and value for your labor.
well put. Just saying some companies have good reviews (on paper) but do shady stuff like that and are worse than amazon
I think the intentions of this post are well-formed. But to some, it may come off as minimizing. However I get what you're saying. I will say that isolating all the industry-level criticism to Amazon (like what Napoleon did to Snowball in Animal farm) just lets the other companies use FAANG as a fall guy as they do the same thing. Up until a few years ago, I'd try to warn people about the dangers of some companies (specifically layoffs), but because I work at Bezos' Banana Farm, everyone chalked it up to "typical amazon, I'm never working in big tech". Over the next few years, smaller and smaller companies took heed, laying people off. Google introducing their own version of PIP. WLB companies using their peace as a way to justify shitty wages. It became less of people misconstruing me as a FAANG naysayer, but rather taking my words as an omen for what's to come for the industry as a whole. Every company is trying to do what happens at Amazon. They just have different risk models on getting caught. ;-) "I don't have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you" is only valid until the bear comes back for seconds, and then it becomes the "First They Came - Martin Niemöller" poem all over again. Rinse and repeat. I guess my spin on this is "amazon is exactly as bad as you imagine it to be, and in addition to the anger you may throw at it, just know there are companies that also deserve even more anger, so buy a few more pitchforks knowing it's an industry-wide issue"
"I don't have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you" ^^ yeah there are better employers out there
I really appreciate the literary references here.
Interesting, I'm getting reports that this topic is irrelevant. I guess some HR folks are getting mad ?
Any comments on Meta?
The essence I get is Meta has a culture of "everything needs data". While there are many great use cases, some people misuse that for performance reviews. They come up with metrics that adds no real value but it's a metric that is objectively "better" given someone's individual contribution.
Amazon sucks relative to other big tech. The comparison is never with the average run of the mill company
Can you name those other even worse companies that you have in mind?
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A quick termination is sometimes merciful. I can tell you that Amazon is definitely NOT a good place for the cast majority of people. You can get lucky but as I've seen over the years there are fewer and fewer good teams put there. If you have a bunch of money saved up, go for it. But for God's sake don't move for this company when average tenure is 2 years.
Agreed