When I joined Google several years ago, one thing that made it clearly a lot better than other megacorps was the integrity of management and the technical competence of pretty much everyone up on your reporting chain. Already then there were several layers of bullshit piling up, still, in the end of the day most decisions above you made at least some sense, and you were more or less positioned to excel/grow in your role. It's a recurring pattern that most businesses fall back to mediocrity after first they inflate the middle management, and then lower the bar to hire more and more workforce. Sadly, this came after the FAANG companies, though it took a long time. These MBAs with poor/no technical background we hired as our line managers introduced more and more processes over the years, mindlessly requested headcounts, promoted/hired the wrong people, and implemented a culture twist that took us very far away from that of the classic Silicon Valley. Now I'm at Facebook, and after the recent layoffs at most FAANGs I finally had to admit that the bubble has officially popped. Looking around myself I see clueless managers coasting atop of senior ICs, cutthroat corporate wrestling, no vision, no innovation, useless processes that take several months every year, retaliation, and political education at the workplace. From what I hear it's not very different from what you have elsewhere these days. The culture is scary similar to that of some old monstrosity like a bank, or a car manufacturer, that otherwise I'd never work for. I'm not electrified anymore by my peers either. By today, the low-bar hiring, the level inflation, and the culture around LC grind funneled in a type of talent that I'd rather not work with. I think it's time for me to move. I suggest you team up with your friends, build something, try to get rich on your own. Or try to land a job at a smaller, reputable company. If you are early in your career, please run away from FAANG, it's unlikely you'll learn anything special here, don't let this neo-FAANG toxicity poison your bright young mind. The name on your CV already matters a lot less, believe me. Join a startup if you can, or maybe get a PhD, you'll have plenty time to milk money out of corpland when you get older and wiser. YOE: 14 TC: 700K #tech #faang #google #meta #career
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Any suggestions for a smaller reputable company for an early career lad?
Check where Harvard, Stanford, MIT, UCB etc grads are going. Might be small AI based startups like open ai, deepmind etc. 2nd tier talent goes to the likes of databricks, snowflake, scale AI etc. Besides, you're currently laid off. Don't worry too much and ride out the recession. After that, you can go back to these.
@gitabook 1st tier goes to quant or starts their own startup. 2nd tier goes to like db, Netflix, retool etc
If you think FAANG culture is similar to industries like finance or manufacturing you are truly as clueless as the rest of the world thinks FAANG engineers are. Source: 10 years in finance before leaving for a FAANG
Go work at a bank or a car company or one of the tech arms of the giant corporations and realize how actually 100% wrong you are lol The fact that you even recommend getting a PhD shows that you might not really see what the rest of the world is like, considering the PhD market is absolutely fucked, and how getting a PhD has a terrible reputation even among PhD holders Or the fact that most start ups are equally as boring (“hey we are revolutionizing HR software”), and the really interesting ones aren’t actually gonna hire new grads, and that the idea of getting rich off of them is just another lottery ticket I think your own personal idea of what tech is has popped, but you sound pretty out of touch (but it’s easy to say what you’re saying if your TC is actually true. It’s either that or you’re another new grad with 2 yoe on Blind)
Why is the PhD market absolutely fucked? Pursuing higher education for the purpose of self-actualization is a noble pursuit, is it not?
I wonder what perspective you have on the topic, do you have any record of working at a FAANG company or you just want to stubbornly live the illusion? Or are you one of those MBAs? WRT PhD in fact, a PhD (combined with industry experience) is something that actually gives you an edge in the current economic environment when it comes to job search.
says in 700k TC
Everything is easy when money flows like water. When things get tough, you see weak management shrivel and shrink in the face of angry investors who want to cut costs. The golden era of tech is probably over. Once lost, it’s very hard to put the magic back in the jar. Or it will at least take a long time and some new entrants into the market. If you are senior and value creating something worthwhile will less bullshit to contend with, consider starting something yourself. And consider managing your growth. Don’t let these idiotic MBA-originated processes ever take root. This is easier said than done. But very much worth it if you can make it happen.
First time? Tech went through winter in the early 2000s
Tech did go through winter in early 2000s, but it was a totally different set of companies (FAANG) that became the best places to work after that winter vs. before. This FAANG era is mostly over. They're all still monopolies / oligopolies that make a lot of money but the magic is gone and probably can't be recaptured. The next era in tech will bring an entirely new set of companies and technologies and FAANG will be the equivalent of how we've thought about Intel, Cisco, Oracle in the past 20 years.
Dumb stuff like this is what gets absolute stupidity like FTX A bunch of technical people that think they are smarter than everyone and only need technical people
@op what's your level? Is this across levels at Meta?
E7 defined as a clueless employee under the Gervais Management theory
IC7, in my org it’s typical. Several managers (typically M1) on the same level report to each other in long chains. Zuck says though there’s gonna be a manager purge soon.
I sense this is the first tech downturn that you are experiencing. All normal ebb and flow of the industry cycle.
What goes up, must come down, what goes down, must go up…
it should be: What goes up, must come down, what goes down, could go up but most likely just goes further down
Crypto disagrees
As long as there is money, nothing is over
There is less money
A lot of people disagree with you, Atlassian. There is plenty of money for the vast majority of people who break into these companies