Our team just hired 2. What do you guys think?
I don't like it because when they will need to solve complex problems, they won't have the theoretical backing to do it in the best way. For example if they need to build some kind of interpreter with lots of string parsing, they won't use regex and will instead manually write nasty parsing logic. Same can be said about a lot of other concepts. I've seen them do great work but I believe they should be brought in with a different job title, "programmer", then asked to take like 3 fundamental CS courses and internally reapply for the software engineer role. Sounds harsh but it'll be good for them and the company.
This is a reasonable stance to have, but you should interview some of them. All of the ones I've hired handled datastructure and algorithm interviews. Many had advanced degrees. For the same experience bootcampers tend to be stronger performers than recent grads.
Yeah I mean all other forms of engineering also demand degrees in those fields. We should hold the same standard.
Which org?
6 years of uni down the toilet for me ;( but I second previous poster: I had colleagues that were good for most tasks, but wrote garbage when faced with more complex problems that are easy if you know a bit more CS theory.
What kind of problems? I wonder if coding boot camps should put slightly more emphasis onto CS theory, though I believe for most entry-level web dev jobs which coding boot camps seem to aim for, it's not necessary
My colleague has phd in CS and is probably same level as hacker school grad (l4 for both)
Wait I thought you were a microsoftee
That's S Nutella.
front end work? UX? probably not generating ML Algorithms
I think its a good idea, if both sides have reasonable expectations. It's a paid apprenticeship. They'll need more mentoring and training, and they should keep taking classes, or at least read books (so should the rest of us, BTW). I expect growing pains, but I expect everybody wins.
I haven't had any duds from hiring 5 bootcampers over 4 years, which is much better than my success rate at hiring 0-experience CS grads. I don't give all the credit to boot camps either.