Metalog4jkl

Israel is a triple win for the Western right-wing

Foundation of Israel was a triple win for conservatives in European nations and the US: 1. They got rid of most Jewish people from their country, via migrations to Israel, which they have been always dreaming of. 2. They gained a military base in the oil rich Middle-East, as Israel, surrounded by Arab-Muslim Nations, will have no choice but to be a close ally to them. 3. They eased their guilt of Holocaust, as the only way Israel state to exist is commiting genocide to natives living there. They can in some future, when their interests show otherwise, use that to contend that they weren’t too evil by genociding Jews, because Jews themselves are also very cruel. Western imperialists and racists are the real winners through the foundation of Israel, while the Palestinians are the real losers. Israelis are also victims here. They became apparatus to their murderers, and forced to do similar things that have been done to them.

NVIDIA Aaron.B. May 5

Sounds about right

Google gUdj4i May 5

Check out that vote for res 181 affirming a partition for a Jewish and Arab state. A conservative European conspiracy interested in middle east oil? For the Resolution (33) - Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Canada, Costa Rica, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, France, Guatemala, Haiti, Iceland, Liberia, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Sweden, Ukraine, South Africa, Uruguay, Soviet Union, the United States, Venezuela, White Russia. Against (13) - Afghanistan, Cuba, Egypt, Greece, India, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Yemen. Abstentions (10) - Argentina, Chile, China, Colombia, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Honduras, Mexico, United Kingdom, Yugoslavia.

Meta log4jkl OP May 5

This result just affirms what I said. I must remind you that res 181 passed in 1947, when the region was known as Palestine. It was a bizarre idea in 1947 that a minority people who recently migrated to a region can claim another independent state on top of an existing one (a bizarre idea even today). You see that countries favoring the status quo one-state solution are being majority Muslim countries or countries who are incensed by Western imperialisim (likes of newly independent India and Cuba). You then see that countries supporting a two-state solution are mostly Western countries, as they benefit from it for the reasons I suggested in the post. As a note, South Africa, an apartheid regime at the time, also supports the two state solution. Today, in 2024, some Muslim countries want a two-state solution, because the current situation is Palestinians virtually don’t have a state. Very different than 1947. In a hypothetical case, if the migrants in one of those two-state favoring Western countries decide to gain independence and ask for a two-state solution, I am sure they would declare a war against the newcoming state, just like Arabs did. I would then expect that rivals of Western block, together with countries who hope to benefit from the new state, to vote for a two-state solution in a hypothetical UN decision.

Meta log4jkl OP May 5

I should also add that I don’t think western right-wingers conspired and came up with the genius idea of Israel. The idea of Israel and zionism is fathered by Theodor Herzl, a European jew, who I presume wasn’t a fan of European right-wing. Western powers just saw the opportunity and happily jumped into it. They even sacrificied large amounts of money for that. If there wasn’t their significant military, economic and intelligence support, Jews couldn’t win the war, and most likely wouldn’t attempt to declare independence, which makes sure a war with the native population for obvious reasons.

Apple 🍏🍎pom May 9

You only forget to mention that all of the wars in the area were started by Arabs.

Meta log4jkl OP May 10

This doesn’t go against the claim in the post. Zionists planned to make Palestine a Jewish land from 1890s, an area already inhabited by non-Jews. Then they took it with support from the West. Unsurprisingly natives fought back. The post is about why Western countries gave so much support to one side.