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My colleagues have been telling me that Apple pays more in the long term than Fb/Google. They support that statement but citing their refreshers (every year). Do FG not get refreshers every year? Starting comp at FG seems higher to me. TC 200k
^Seconded. This is one of those “shoe me yours, then I’ll show you mine” Blind posts.
Only if your initial grant sucks.
MA and EE refreshers are nowhere near 25% of initial grant if you negotiated effectively.
i heard that initial stock grants are lower but refreshes are bigger at apple. i’ve never worked there so i can’t confirm
Apple has higher/consistent refreshers
Op how can you ask to compare when you have not posted your own refreshers LOL. Or do you expect that there will be lot of people here who have worked at both companies? Maybe there aren’t many.
Example. Hire on RSUs: 150k, refreshers: 80-100k yearly. Base of 160, TC:~325k, been at Apple for 5 years.
I have similar numbers. Except my Refreshers have been higher 125-150k with 8/9 perf review
It’s heavily dependent based on your .Org. I too usually get 8/9 reviews but IS&T ICT4. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
Perhaps for a senior engineer. However if you’re a recent grad, fb/G are better because the career growth opportunities are better and the promotions go hand in hand with larger refreshers to increase TC. And fb/G do have annual refreshers. Here’s the target for meeting expectations at fb: E3: 40k E4: 70k E5: 120k E6: 200k Google is likely similar, perhaps slightly lower.
Are these all vested over 4 years?
Yup. Multiplier is 1.25x for exceeding expectations, 2x for greatly exceeding, and 3x for redefining expectations.
I’ve gotten 150k refreshers consistently the last 4 years (except one year where I got $200k), and about 30k bonus per year. Current base is 192k (over the last 3 years the hike was 6%, 5% and 4% respectively). Always gotten 5/6 for reviews. I’m pretty happy with my TC. I’ve heard some Facebook people brag that they get 300k refreshers though. And I think Google’s refreshers are at least comparable to ours.
Getting a 300k refresher at fb means greatly exceeding expectations at E6, or redefining expectations at E5, or getting discretionary equity.
ICT4 or ICT5? Which org?
Data point for me: 3 years out of undergrad Initial grant: 100k Year 1: 100k Year 2: 100k Year 3: 175k (promo) TC for the upcoming year: 350k It’s more than most of my friends who started at google/fb
Which team/org are u?
Eddy’s
YOE for 200K TC? Have refresher numbers to share for Apple?