I’m leaving Apple because of bad team/manager. I also want to try something new. I got offers from Amazon and MSFT. Role: Security Engineer Location: London AWS: TC: 124K MSFT: TC: 113K (slightly less than current TC, but I can move to a cheaper place and work remote) AWS Pros: - Learning/growth - Team seem to have some smart people MSFT Pros: - Work from home permanently - WLB - People there seem happy Please Vote :) YOE: 6 TC: 115K Update: Microsoft seems to be the obvious winner. I decided to go ahead and accepted their offer.
Permanent remote tips the balance. Go to LCOL any time you want to make up for the pay difference. Get a bigger house for family and spend more time with your kids.
LCOL?
Lower Cost Of Living
Would you rather be smart or happy
Smappy :)
I suppose you suggest MSFT.
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I love AWS but I think Microsoft might make more sense here.
What makes MSFT attractive here?
For me it’s the permanent WFH. I have that at AWS and I find it invaluable.
At Amazon there is a slight possibility that you can change roles and earn more. It will be loong multi year process. Not sure if worth it. Easier would be to switch around. Amazon is brutal and no gaurante that you will learn or can stay for even 1 year. You might benefit from easy team change, could possibly move to usa if interested. I think ms has better wlb. Its tricky since you have 6 yoe so you neither would be looking at a stepping stone nor a retirement company. If I were you I would go to Amazon with clarity that I will add it to resume and switch in two years to a startup to rapidly increase pay. Maybe at 10 or 12 think about Microsoft The TC ranges you quoted are honestly very low. Not sure if it is a london thing.
Yup. UK pay is in no way similar to US. Thanks though. Yeah, I wanted AWS experience, but at the same time not sure I’ll get MSFT later.
Because?
Msft if you value peace of mind and having a life. Amazon if you value tc and growth.
Part of me wants career advancement. Part wants to chill 😂
Ask the wife
Worked at both. I learnt a lot at amazon and my org was great for wlb etc, msft is just a sloppy place to rest and vest according to me. I’d take amazon over msft
How long worked at each?
Not sure how that helps you but 4 at A 2 at M
Microsoft benefits are higher than amazon, for just 11k not worth joining amazon ( i have worked on both of them) unless you are looking to grow and learn ops, both will teach you something i learned a lot at both,
I see. Thanks.
Microsoft is a bad decision, plus they low balled you. I wouldn't recommend joining, you may find a worse work like balance, especially that we work a lot with India. Meaning scheduling and attending meetings at 10/11pm ...
So you think I should go with AWS?
Microsoft is great if you are over 35 years old, and at a principal level, if you come at a lower level, you will ruin your career, i worked at both, MS culture is absolutely terrible. If you can pull yourself, aws is better, spend a year there and get a 2 level bump at MS
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If difference is only 11k do not choose Amazon
Worked at both? Can you explain?
Amazon is super famous for terrible WLB, toxic culture, and in general treating their employees like shit.