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Then who manages the products...? No owner organizing it and only engs and designers?
Pm as in program manager or product manager. Regardless, I find this hard to believe.
They’re hiring PMs on LinkedIn rn
Just like Meta was hiring while laying off 1000s. This is a recent development. Reqs will start to diminish
Wtf I was eyeing Microsoft!
Literally makes no sense. Could reduce the count...but how the hell can you eliminate the role?
I could imagine a move to PM-T
Have you ever actually noticed a difference between a PM and a PM-T? I haven’t.
Hard to believe.. they are still hiring like crazy for engineering as well as product /Program level roles left and right... The way they are hiring now I think how next year layoff is going to be at MS.
Source: trust me bro
You may have misunderstood what they meant by getting rid of PM A lot of orgs have already done the title shuffle to remove "Program manager" titles. Most went to Tech PM or Product Manager titles but didn't go away. Nothing changed in our org but titles when we did this.
If I'm reading this right, then it sounds like there are a whole lot of folks who don't know what a product manager does.
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Ah yes let’s make company full of pot belly Raju coders
L68 here - this is simply untrue… In my org, we are getting new PCNs for PMs, but they need to be technical due to changing business needs. We see higher productivity in technical PMs. This will likely trend across Microsoft, but the role itself is not being eliminated
Great, which org? Would love to apply.
If a job is advertised as technical program management at Microsoft then is it a product management role?
In favor of what role instead?
Heard that they'll be replaced by engineering managers. Changes will start to come through in the coming semester
That’s just dumb. If engineering manager does that work then he won’t be doing any engineering work.