Microsoft to Amazon ?

Dec 6, 2019 29 Comments

Currently an L60 at MS 2 years exp

Base - 125k
Stock - 50k per year for next 2years ( including appreciation and not original stock value. MS has done well.)
Annual Bonus - 10%

Amazon Seattle Offer
SDE L4
Base - 145K
Signing Bonus - 40K / 40K
Stocks - 50 shares (usual Amazon vesting schedule)

is it worth it, considering no HSA / useless 401k and no annual bonus ?

Chances of getting to L5 in a year if good work ?

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TOP 29 Comments
  • Amazon someBodyYA
    Dude your L4 offer is more than what I make as an L5!
    When you get promoted internally, don’t look for a higher bump since you are already going to be top of the band.

    L4 to L5 is doable in a year for industry hires. Obviously depends on manager and team but definitely doable.
    Dec 6, 2019 2
    • Microsoft lostCause
      OP
      It’s not even a 10% raise. Is it still worth it, considering the work?
      Dec 6, 2019
    • Amazon someBodyYA
      I would say no, it’s not worth it. Try again for SDE 2.

      You are losing your team, track record, everything else as MSFT.

      It’s a fresh start with not so much green grass.
      Dec 6, 2019
  • Google dinoball
    No dude, it is not worth it. Microsoft stock is bullish like crazy and Amazon stock is peaking out. It only makes sense if your current team or manager really sucks.
    Dec 6, 2019 5
    • Amazon / Eng
      hLbt48

      Amazon Eng

      PRE
      FactSet
      hLbt48more
      That’s why you get 1st and 2nd year bonus to balance out the backloaded schedule, first 2 years are basically cash.
      Dec 6, 2019
    • Google dinoball
      I just calculated the TC for both companies (roughly 187k vs 190k). The Amazon offer seems to be a minimal pay raise, which is not all that ideal.
      Dec 6, 2019
  • Amazon IronMan10
    Stay at MSFT and try for G/FB.
    Dec 6, 2019 4
    • Microsoft wkemdnqbr
      Is that Google and fb is suggest for better pay with good WLB ?
      Because i am seeing blind post for stressful work environment at fb
      Dec 7, 2019
    • Google dinoball
      Ok to try for google, but FB is more for counter-offers only.
      Dec 7, 2019
  • Amazon cmonBruh
    TC is 190k which is actually above the SDE1 band (135k to 173k). However, this means that you probably won't get jack shit when you get to SDE2 since you're above the lower range of that band (182k to 242k) and promos target the bottom of band. I would not take this and instead try to get an offer for an SDE2 equivalent position in the next two years.
    Dec 6, 2019 3
    • Amazon someBodyYA
      Shooting for 200k still does not help your internal promo since you will not get much from getting promoted
      Dec 6, 2019
    • Amazon cmonBruh
      Taking this offer regardless of whether it's 190k or 200k is not the absolute worst thing to do since it's still good money, but only take it if you are okay with your pay being stagnant for 2-3 years minimum.
      Dec 6, 2019
  • Amazon misa-misa
    Don't come in as an sde1. It will take you two years on avg. Stick for a year and interview, you'll get sde2. Ref. Somewhat similar situation.
    Dec 7, 2019 0
  • Amazon thdji
    I'd suggest you also look at the type of work you'll get to do.. pick one that is more challenging and is of interest to you. Having been in multiple FAANG companies, Amazon is a great place to learn engineering rigor, operational excellence, and hustle. The company has its own challenges/downsides but from an engineering maturity standpoint, I'd say Amazon is where I personally grew the most. This could vary by team and the product area, hence my suggestion to weigh the options on area of interest and personal growth.
    Dec 6, 2019 0
  • Paychex excomcando
    If I were you, I would’t leave MSFT for AMZN. Especially the money is’t that much of a jump.
    Dec 6, 2019 2
    • Microsoft lostCause
      OP
      What would be a good jump ?
      Dec 6, 2019
    • Paychex excomcando
      At least %30+ as you are already working for FANG. Also AMZN is known for it’s bad WLB so I would only go there if it was %40+ jump.
      Dec 6, 2019
  • Microsoft wkemdnqbr
    Not worth
    Dec 6, 2019 1
    • Microsoft lostCause
      OP
      Thanks. Can you elaborate a bit ? If it’s not worth it, what to aim for ?
      Dec 6, 2019
  • Microsoft TARS
    Not worth it. Too little stock
    Dec 6, 2019 1
    • Microsoft lostCause
      OP
      What to aim for ?
      Dec 6, 2019
  • Amazon / Eng
    Urooj

    Amazon Eng

    PRE
    Synopsys Inc, Adobe, Flipkart
    Uroojmore
    Solid offer for L4. Your L4 salary is better than some L5. Only thing is 61 is sde2 in MS. You might consider that. Once in Amazon as L4, it will take at least a year if not more to become L5.
    Dec 7, 2019 0

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