Need help/advice

Hey blind fam, Long post.. I was impacted by amazon’s (in)famous pip program. Not here to blame them. I am counting my last days. Good part is I have an offer at Bloomberg and Walmart Global tech (verbal). The last 5 months of job search has destroyed my confidence levels and pushed me to mild depression. I feel I was lucky to get 2 offers because imo interviews weren’t all that great. I also got rejected by netflix, paypal, mongodb, cohesity and coupang. I thought salesforce went extremely well but they never came back. The amount of rejections, stress, interview prep, h1b anxiety and also working towards improving myself in the focus plan at amazon pushed me towards anxiety and depression. I am taking therapy which is slowly showing some results. I am thinking along the lines of moving back to India for recovery but I am also afraid of being unemployed there. I know bloomberg doesn’t have offices in India so I am thinking about joining walmart labs (don’t have numbers yet but I guess for staff they pay around 200K in Dallas which I am okay with) Only reason for considering walmart is because I have heard they are safer when it comes to recession. Team handles backend for their online payment processing. They want to standardize the payment processing globally. Appears safe but you never know. They also have teams and contractors in India which I think is good as I have serious intentions of moving back after a year. Pleased help me with the following Is my assumption about walmart correct (job security and moving to India) If moving within Walmart doesn’t work, how do I get jobs in India sitting in the US. What pay can I expect (money not a big concern but I am hoping to get at least 55-60L) Any advice about the confusions I have ? L6 SDE (promoted 1.5 yrs ago) 325K Seattle Bloomberg 280K in NY 12 YoE all in US plus an MS if that even matters #india #walmart

Walmart KodeAddict Jan 27

Habibi come to Walmart (and don’t bring Amazonion BS along)

Amazon bdghs OP Jan 27

Lol sure I won’t..Can I dm you ?

ex-Indeed adduu Jan 27

Your job search is times short than for many laid off people. If you don’t want to pay effort to find job, you should back to India and accept the fact that you’re looser

Amazon bdghs OP Jan 27

Job market wasn’t too bad for Sde’s with 8+ yoe honestly. But the bar was definitely high. Also its many more times difficult to find a decent paying job in India than in US. Competition is 5x there. You don’t gain anything by being salty on an anonymous platform

ex-Indeed adduu Jan 27

The job market was crazy sucks in H1 2023. I spent 7 months for job search with list of rejects on interviews three times longer than yours. My yoe 15+ And this isn’t the record some people, who were laid off with me in November 2022 are still on market. You aren’t understanding the market situation and decided to do the simple exit

ex-Financial Services Company 🤔thinking Jan 27

The problem is that you tried to fight focus. Worst decision. When you’re on focus, you’re fired with notice. Next time, listen to Blind.

Amazon bdghs OP Jan 27

True…realized it very late but honestly fighting it gave me another 2-3 months of time while being employed (and being stressed) for job search

Tableau randThings Jan 31

It is possible to come out of focus my husband did it but it did take a lot of effort and put a strain on the family

Salesforce YQBJ75 Jan 27

Buddy! Sorry about what you went through. I can somewhat relate. But the thing is, you've done it! Now that the job situation is taken care of, start working on yourself. Move to NYC. It's the best city in the world. Why go back to India? Also, from what I've heard, Bloomberg is very safe. They never did layoffs. DM me if you're looking for any inspiration to stay back. I am a fan of NYC. It will be full of new experiences. This is the best city to build your confidence.

Amazon bdghs OP Jan 27

DM’d you

Ford Motor Company teri_MachE Jan 28

When you say you want to go to India do you mean for good? Are you married? You can find a 50L job in Gurugram or Bangalore.

Amazon bdghs OP Jan 28

For good

Ford Motor Company teri_MachE Jan 28

I will move back as well. I was thinking last year but then postponed it to this year end.

Lyft R34xaO Jan 28

You are likely on focus. Use below plan to escape. -----Shared on Amazon forum please copy and distribute------- (Internal Mantra to keep on loop when dealing with your Amazon / AWS manager is "the lying liar lieth and still they lie their lies" which can help frame and guard your level of communication.) You need to forget about all work for Amazon except giving the appearance of doing bare minimum - start coasting that skit banana funded work right now!! Concentrate fully on interview prep and lining up external interviews with employers or if you are on visa then only visa sponsoring employers. Lets assume that you are in USA and have one year of penitude / servitude completed with Amazon / AWS so then you are eligible for paid FMLA leave..... this is a well trodden path (its Amazon so there are plenty of medics who will sign off around the WA HQ) so you will have no problems. You do NOT WAIT for PIP but you start now whilst in Focus and your approach should be: 1) Dev List / Focus / Coaching which is the stealth tracking period where your manager does not need to even inform you that they are working against you and coercing your colleagues and others for anything negative (only the negative) against you and measuring you up for a PIP to the head.... you are also blocked from internal transfer without unobtainable VP override. 2) During the above get your medic to listen to your droning about the (external) stress and mental anguish that you are feeling and so unable to focus and meet your tough Amazon / AWS goals ... also ask if they can sign off or refer you to a therapist who can do so urgently as the stress is ubearable (use the phrase unbearable stress and anguish and specifically also say that you need some weeks away from it under FMLA)... FMLA evidence flag is set... FMLA important caveat / proTip: when laying a paper trail of stress and anguish you must make sure you DO NOT say that it is *due to work.* Instead it must be framed as mental health struggles that have flared recently and are preventing you from focusing on your work. Both your psych AND the leave administration company will deny FMLA if you tell them it is *because of* work. (Tip from soCri$p) 3) Amazon manager presents you with Pivot document and you have 5 days to choose Tier 1 severance or take PIP plan.... BANG this is where you submit FMLA into the DLS portal before the 5 days decision period is expired (DLS team need a day or so to respond to you so get this rolling at the start of the Amazon Pivot decision window) and then go on leave. Your backstabbing Amazon / AWS manager and HR cannot intervene if you do this as it is a separate team and *federal* mandated leave. The whole decison window for Pivot / PIP is now mandatorily paused beyond their control.... if it was within their control then they would of course be trying to sink you at every opportunity - its Amazon! 4) Get FMLA paperwork completed by the medic who you have already lined up and prepped earlier and submit that supporting material into the DLS team. 5) Tear through your interview preparation and job hunting networking to hiring companies and dont even consider one hour of work for Amazon... extend FMLA through renewal with the medic up to 12 weeks and throw in caring for family member as that is FMLA allowable too if your family are stressed that you are stressed.... so now you have taken 16 weeks of paid FMLA leave on Amazon's frugal dime. (FMLA is partly paid if u also file for Short term disability) 6) Burn through any paid PTO and sick days before returning to work too as only unused vacation time will be cashed out upon exit. 7) Accept the job offer from a better employer (there are so many compared to Amazon / AWS that if you throw a rock then you will hit upon one), which you undoubtedly will already have received by this time. 8) If you are on a visa then get the visa transfer process rolling under premium processing by the new employer. 9) Return to Amazon / AWS and take the maximum Tier 1 severance option instead of PIP, since every step after not taking that decision reduces the exit payout from frugal Amazon severely. 10) Cash the Tier 1 severance from Amazon and the sign on bonus from your new visa sponsoring employer and roll around on the floor surrounded by hundred dollar bills. 11) Return to Blind and tell the community all about it..... not forgetting to add your new TC tax to the post!!! Bonus level... 12) Rock it like a superstar and position yourself onto hiring panels in your new employer and never ever let an ex-Amazon/AWS manager get through..... your new colleagues will thank you. :-D Fifty percent of new hires gone within a year and average tenure only eighteen months.... hence the RSU vest after two years and tiny low 401K match from third year. Most folks will not see a big chunk of that TC (Frugality Leadership Principle). Rule 1 = Avoid Amazon / AWS Rule 2 = Avoid any companies which hire ex Amazon / AWS managers Rule 3 = Follow Rule 1 and In your next company join the hiring panels to keep Rule 2 enforced It is the way...... and in dealing with Amazon it is a very common well travelled way... happy trails.

Amazon 💭 thoughts Jan 30

How did you prepare for salesforce and Bloomberg. How did you get Netflix interview

Walt Disney p0o09gg6 Feb 24

Sorry to hear that you had to go through all this. Try to switch to a dependent visa or tourist visa if not married and take it slow. 10yrs down the line it will not matter. Please take care of yourself first! All the best!!