Talking with my msft friends, I have heard about rampant nepotism and diversity practices at Microsoft. Executive daughters getting into the internship program clearly through family blood, hires getting hired because their uncle is the VP, engineers not even having onsite interviews cause they know the HM, etc. I have heard that they even have an "explore" internship just to hire women and "diverse" candidates. Have any of you experienced this and how can we fix this problem across the tech industry?
These are two separate issues. Nepotism is an inevitability once you reach that level of bloat in an organization. I would argue that diversity targeted internships aren't a bad thing, on balance.
Last year there was an intern with last name 'Myerson.' #terryble
What the fuck does the Explore program, which absolutely and admittedly is a program for pipelining women and minorities into the industry, have to do with nepotism?
Explore intern is ok, that is a kick off for possible better future opportunities. It is up to the intern to learn, improve and work hard to future real internship and job.
I think you have exactly zero evidence to base that assertion upon. The Explore interns I'm working with this summer are every bit qualified to work at this company if they choose to. Of course they probably won't, given the level of dick headedness that exists in this industry.
Of course but this isn't just msft, it's the entire world. You will never teach a human to care less about their family and friends. Start making friends, it's the best, free stuff, discounts, jobs, investments etc
Anyone from msft has serious and balanced opinion? Jokes are getting tiring...
Can you restate?
Yes. I've seen very little if any in the way of nepotism at Microsoft over 10+ years. I've known husbands and wives and parents and kids who both work at Microsoft in different orgs, but that is a real stretch to call that nepotism, even if they put in a good word with a recruiter or something. Nobody would ever be allowed to hire their own family member into the company, let alone do it without the same process as any other external hire. Explore is a program for freshman and sophomore college students to do early internships. Because a larger percentage of women drop out of CS part way through school, and because this program accepts people too early in school to have necessarily decided/declared a major, it's recognized as a helpful program for fostering diversity in the industry. Some bros think this is somehow a bad thing, but that is of course absurd.
I'm sure this happens at every company, to varying degrees. I met a girl whose first job offer out of college was for Apple as a materials engineer. I'm sure her dad being a VP at Apple had some influence over the decision to hire her.
What makes you so sure? Wasn't she trained as a materials engineer? Not exactly a plum job!
It is bad, but I think people are working on this. I have seen increasing number of reorgs breaking reporting chain full of Indians from the same part of India. The problem is Microsoft is not paying people well enough, so the hiring bar is low and good people are motivated to leave. If you have low hiring bar, some acquaintances end up hitting the bar. why not hire someone for other concerns? E.g. hire your cousin's classmate because of his potential loyalty and 10 years of green card waiting time?
Not just low pay but dogfooding, forcing FTE's to accept refurbished Surfaces, as replenish devices, putting more operational burdens on managers vs HR, etc, etc. All makes it challenging to hire and retain superstars. Until the new platforms, start revenue performing, get used to it.
agreed, plus the fact that you cannot find good job outside Microsoft with the technical skills used within Microsoft. The best employer for windows developers is Microsoft itself.
This happens in all industries, not just the Tech industry.
If you are important enough to a company to get a relative hired, then isn't that just another form of compensation? Is this more reprehensible than other ways executives enrich themselves?
Ummmmm. This is the way the world works. I guess if you are in a role like engineering where you are supposed to deliver something like code it doesn't affect you. But for anyone who takes a dependency on others, you heavily rely on your relationships to make progress. If I didn't have connections I would not be able to do my job in a company as complex as MS.
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