Point of no return We are now competing globally for jobs at all levels. Latest... Boeing Starts Layoffs in Finance and Accounting, Will Outsource the Work to India
Yep it’s next level of gutting the west. Blue collar manufacturing jobs went, next high tech and white collar. No protection from US gov, yet all the other governments in China and India are protecting their interests.. covid was a good excuse to shift things around. Pretend WFH is here to stay, but call us back to the office while hiring remote positions abroad. $$$
US is just a part of the one world government. The owners of the world are the same. Why would they protect you?
Oh man seeing this earlier would’ve saved me a lot of typing in the other thread lol.
Not true. Language, cultural, time zone and legal barriers all still exist...
USA is one of the only countries where 2+ languages are not required in school. The barriers are about to be non existent in the next 10 years
OP, most people from non-western countries still speak English very poorly even if they’d learned it in primary education. The reason why Europe has so many proficient non-native English speakers is because they have a very strong education system and English is closely related to their native language. I work with many highly educated and skilled coworkers from Japan and most of the time their English is horrible, despite having spent many years learning the language in school and living in the US. Communication is a huge pain with them so we’d hardly even talk unless work requires it. Even with the relatively proficient people, it’s not uncommon for them to give you a blank stare because maybe you spoke a bit too fast or used American idioms and lingo. It puts a lot stress on everyone whenever there’s a crisis and we need to move fast
Yeah that worked out great last time…
Now there's a stronger supply due to increase in popularity of industry and a lot of work that doesn't really need the smartest of the smartest to do (look at the minimum barrier to entry).
Yep. Is it absolute? No. But will it suppress wages? Yep. My guess is that average remote employees who makes Silicon Valley wages remotely will probably make Canadian wages in 5-10 years. Still good. But you're not going to making the same as a Surgeon anymore. And the standard trope of "we outsourced to India and got crap code back" is because whoever said that worked for a terrible company that cheaped out. People who have worked for quality companies, companies willing to spend $100K+ in USD for an engineer in India, have usually gotten their money's worth. We lived in a time of printed money, user growth over everything else. When times get lean, and EPS matters, when cloud or AI revenue isn't counted as 10x on-prem revenue by Wall Street, then the move to cut costs matter. Oracle, who hasn't gotten the ridiculous overvalue of growth stocks and kind of has not been affected as much by this free money, has created the blueprint by gradually shifting a lot of non-OCI stuff over there. Other big companies have done that as well. And this doesn't discount the fact that a lot of the educational advantage the US has will go away as learning is more and more online. Does a San Jose State student really learn more that an online student from another county?
What do we do?
>>Does a San Jose State student really learn more that an online student from another county? Yes, they do.
I am hearing from my friends from across product companies that many projects and in some cases entire org have moved to India in last 2 years. Good highly skilled developers don't have to migrate for better opportunities anymore. In India itself they will be able to get 100k+ USD salaries. It's always good to bet the place which has potential to grow than the place already grown and inflated. For companies it doesn't make sense to keep the not so complex project onshore. Probably few R&D projects can be kept onshore and remaining all will be moved to their off shore entities. Earlier only support and maintenance was outsourced to companies like TCS. Now most of the fortune 500 companies have started their captives, their own offices in India. So they can easily move the projects internally.
What makes you think we aren’t already competing for jobs globally? “Outsourcing” never went away. Companies simply discovered it’s not the silver bullet everyone thought it was. Nothing about that has changed.
The point is not really about competition in tech but about tech Salaries. Salaries still not reflect the global market. But the most rational thought is long term it will.
Companies have been trying to do this for years. If top tier employers could do this, they would have a decade ago. No one wants to put their critical business operations in the hands of contractors from India. Completely insane.
Right but I'm talking about the overall trend, not one specific company. My guess is after the 737 max fiasco, they will actually start to onshore again.
Many companies have their own offices in India so it's not contractor but it's actually their own employees
How does ITAR requirements works if these jobs are outsourced?
There might be a big PRO for American workers. A large percent of Indian, Asian trained, educated working in US based office can now apply for these positions in their home country eliminating some jobs in the US. These same staff can refer their friends fresh out of college in their homeland to get internships for the same company further keeping costs low. No need for visa and etc. Imagine instead of preserving American jobs, we lose them.
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