I have three offers: Google, Snap, and a dive-and-save from Amazon that came in lower than I expected. Offers with numbers rounded: Snap - L5 First year TC: $565k 10k more base than Google, 900k in RSUs over 3 years, no stacking refreshers Pros: great team, interesting product, good culture Cons: less certain future, stock could be volatile Google - L5 First year TC: $505k 700k+ in RSUs over 4 years, front-loaded with stacking refreshers Pros: good culture, stable company, better WLB, more stock upside Cons: potential cliff year 3+, probably stricter RTO (Both Snap and Google have annual performance-based bonuses. Both have good benefits, much better than Amazon, but not a big fan of Snap's "unlimited PTO".) Amazon (dive and save) - L6 2022 TC: $435k Small bump in base, only one year of new RSUs, and no cash bonus Pros: I love the team and product, relatively good WLB Cons: subpar benefits, another cliff next year, Amazon culture As much as I like my current team and manager, given the semi-disappointing D&S, the choice is really between Snap and Google. Blind tax: YOE 12 TC $290k
I moved to Google from Amzn a year ago and really enjoyed wlb/benefits. Huge downside to my decision though was the lack of intellectually challenging work. So if you enjoy your work and like your team rn, prepare yourself for a different culture where things move a lot more slowly and bar is different than Amzn’s.
Yeah bar’s definitely different. You play hunger games and try to backstab each other at Amazon whereas at Google you don’t.
@tick88, my work at Google would probably be boring, but I kinda welcome that given where I am in life (kids, aging parents, etc). At Amazon I often carved out more challenging work for myself or changed teams to find more interesting projects. Not sure if that's a practical option at Google, though.
Stay at Amazon for now and keep interviewing for better offers.
One of the few google offers in recent times that actually make google a more lucrative offer.
Google sounds like a no brainer. Would not trust SNAP stock to go anywhere
Snap is barely staying afloat. Google is a no brainer here.
What is dive and save? Also, what is your current TC 290K or 435K? I would choose Google since it is greater than your current TC. I am not sure that Snap has a great future, while Google is a pretty steady company.
Current is 235K. But when they realized OP was leaving, they got back to OP with 435K.
That is called counter offer. Is "dive and save" synonymous to "counter offer"? First time heard this term. $290K for L6 (SDE 3) seems way low, 435K is good but I have heard external SDE3 are getting close to 500K. Also from OPs comment, this 435K is just for 1 year after which they would cliff. Declining Amazon D&S is a no-brainer.
Op: Was the Google offer with or without negotiation? If with negotiation, then how much did they offered you initially?
After negotiations with competing offers. The initial offer was about 20% lower.
Got it. Thanks
Did you have to send competing offer letters to Google for them to give 500k? I am surprised since Google usually lowballs horribly!
I did. Competing offers definitely helped. The initial offer was a major lowball.
Did they actually ask you to email or just show it to the recruiter on screen share?
What was the stock price calculated for rsus in 2022? This they add 15% growth to it?
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At Amazon staying after dive and save is career suicide. Manager who now sees you as a flight risk can pip you anytime. Snap offer looks great but it’s a risk. If you’re ok with a bit of risk go to snap else G. Don’t stay.
This isn't fully correct. It looks extremely stupid on a manager's part to PIP someone whom he dived for. Also, DnS does not happen if you aren't in a very good standing in the team.
@jumbojetta, not too worried about staying for that reason. The manager is seasoned and practical enough not to PIP me out of spite or as preemptive URA. But I'm still unlikely to stay simply because the D&S package didn't even attempt to match. They could have maxed out my base (or throw in some cash bonus) and decided not to.