How does negotiation really work with multiple offers in hand. Do we have to share email/offer letter with other company recruiter inorder to negotiate? If yes, isnt it illegal? Can one not just fake multiple offers, in order to negotiate to what one wants? Looking for some tips and tricks for negotiation: with or without multiple offers. I know the rule of thumb is not to disclose the current comp or expected comp first and let the recruiter float the number from his side first.
Google asked me for my offer letter, I showed them an excerpt. Just say I'd love to work for you but I have this other offer that is really hard to turn down because of base/bonus/sign-on/stocks/whatever. Is there anything you can do to improve your offer? Or say I'm currently on higher base or I'd be leaving $x in stock at company y, can you match it?
what I have seen is for exceptions offers, many people had provided offer letter. Won't recommend to fake it. Recruiters talk about offers day in day out and it won't be hard for them to sense it. And don't forget that they write everything in the system so if you have some good offer, why make it against you.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Recruiters and HMs are trying to hire you for the cheapest price they can, and at big companies have bands they are working in. You are just doing their psychological work of negotiating for them. Recruiters talk about offers day in day out but they don't set pay bands and they don't determine who the offer is to. So that means their /only/ job is to get you for as cheap inside your band as possible. That's it. They don't have some magical skillset that makes them able to "smell" when you're bluffing and you're a gullible idiot if you think they do. Don't leave money on the table. Get paid what you're worth. You deserve it.
What I tried to say is that don't undersell yourself, but at the same time don't be greedy and make the situation against you, because someone on blind got higher numbers
> How does negotiation really work with multiple offers in hand. Do we have to share email/offer letter with other company recruiter inorder to negotiate? If yes, isnt it illegal? I believe in NY it's now illegal, not sure in other states. Regardless, you don't have to. > Can one not just fake multiple offers, in order to negotiate to what one wants? Welcome to sales. This is called "putting your money where your mouth is" or "bluffing" -- everyone does it, both you and the recruiter (their job is to close you for the lowest amount, not your worth). Remember, it doesn't matter whether the other offer exists or not, but your BATNA (best alternative to negotiations), which should be to walk away. If you don't really have another offer, you can't really bluff because you have a weak hand to negotiate. You could bluff but you could whiff and come away with /no/ offer. If you can do that -- congrats, maybe you should be in sales. For the rest us, it's best to have that BATNA. Whether it's staying at your current company, or another offer. You need to get them to the point where they really can't go any higher, even if you have a competing offer that's higher. That is where you know what their true maximum is, which is different from their stated maximum. Think of it like an eBay auction. This is a lot easier with levels.fyi now because you can get hard data and know when a HM or recruiter is bullshitting you. Baked into this is the presumption that you can execute on creating the value (and communicating it internally) that backs up what you're asking for or you might be putting yourself in harms way. But you probably already knew that part. Good luck, and happy hunting! If you learn to get good at this part, it's fun and it can have a super high ROI for how much time you put in. Plus, something always feels good about sticking it to "the man" in a certain way...
Yes, well said. Got to take a chance with good homework.
I'm curious about how do you find out what's the limit when you're - negotiating as a new grad and have a single offer?
I’ve never been asked to show proof, they know the market and know your hands mostly. Unless benefits out way tc I’ve always asked for 10-20k higher at each position, in 5 years I went from 56k to 330k there were two double downs in there. Always start your offer 10-15k higher then what you really want, tell them salary isn’t everything and you’d like to see the entire package. I negotiated at current tc and it was 70k less on first offer. One email and reiterating why I’m good for their team and I added 70k bonus to the top of my tc. It’s a business deal he frank with what you want they will tell you what they can do and can’t do.
Don’t be afraid to go far above your current salary if it’s a new place or new market, do your homework and research. Make your range 10-20k no less no more plenty of wiggle room there. I’ve never got a hard no I’ve just reached a max they could offer.
Good strategy. But 10-15k higher is still a bit too little wiggle room unless that evens out to 25%-33%. I'd start out 25% to 33% higher and work your way down from there. Especially at Amazon, this is the only time to come in top of band.
Levels.fyi negotiation experts. Pay them, increased by FB offer by 140k+
Do they do negotiation now? Good for them. Nothing but respect. Levels.fyi was crucial for me making the most out of my offer.
That’s cool what’s the cut ?
Some companies never ask for proof. Google does.
Just tell them you can’t disclose the other offer for confidentiality reasons. If they push back (and they wouldn’t), would you really want to work for a company that doesn’t respect privacy, legal or not?
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A lot of people have cited this amazing blog - https://haseebq.com/my-ten-rules-for-negotiating-a-job-offer/
Too long post. Essentially: Get everything in writing Always keep the door open Information is power Always be positive Don’t be the decision maker Have alternatives Proclaim reasons for everything Be motivated by more than just money Understand what they value Be winnable