TC around 350, >15 YOE. When did we engineers start accepting 24/7 availability as a reasonable job requirement, even periodically? Did no one ever push back? Whenever unions get mentioned, there's always a pushback along the lines of "I can negotiate a better deal myself" - well, anyone actually manage to do that and avoid oncall? For the record, I'm no fan of unions. I think it's time we all collectively refuse this bullshit. Only emergency rooms and first responders need to be 24/7. Let companies hire people specifically to babysit systems if they think it's so critical.
I blame the weirdos who’s lives exist around work, and have no personality outside of work. They are happy to spend so much time working outside of their 8-5, and oncall doesn’t bug them because a) no family b) their only hobby is working
So true. The jackasses have nothing else to do over the weekend. They work and bring their smug nerdiness into the office on Mondays
My previous manager was like that. He expected us to do the same but could not say it out loud because company had good wlb and expectations from the managers. But he did promote other 996 idiots like him. Changed team's after the next perf
Yes, something does need to be done about on call support / 24/7 support expectation
It'll end when the modern world stops demanding that everything work 24/7. Imagine if Twitter went down yesterday, users would not be willing to just wait until Monday for a fix.
Seems like even users don't have a life. Let them close their laptops and phones and spend time with family in the evenings.
Software tech itself needs to die if humans are to live in a healthy manner.
Companies need to spend big on good SRE and fuck PagerDuty . 24/7 on call is the biggest crib I have with my job.
Lol come to Nutanix
Nutanix doesn’t has oncall?
Had oncall pay at previous employer. Not sure how common that is. Definitely not compensated at Stripe, and the shitty part is how variable this can be between teams. If there's internal mobility, try to find a better team. Worked really well for me
Yeah oncall pay is awesome. Effectively an extra 16% bonus that scales with salary. Well worth the occasional sleepless night imo
Nice. Cool that Google rewards on-call
It can easily be split into 12 hours with 2 people, no?
who takes the night shift?
Australia and Singapore
You could go back to the days when we earned 1/3 of what we do now but didn’t have on call duties. I’m happy with the current trade off!
how's that boot taste down there?
There are plenty of people earning one-third of what you folks earn but are still basically on call all the time.
Does any company split Oncall into shifts ? like 12 hrs/12 hrs
Rubrik does.
MS
Geographically distributed teams and split into 3 shifts a day..
Helps, but doesn't cover weekends.
What? Time zones are still valid on weekends sir 😆
"I'm no fan of unions, but let's all organize and take collective action to make sure those in power aren't taking advantage of labor." 😂
Not a bad idea. A one week strike is enough to show who's really running the business
Yeah I'm so for it. Just thought the cognitive dissonance in the parent post deserved a sarcastic response