Outsourced. What now?

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xirtaMehT

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Software Engineering Manager looking to shift to the creative.
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Dec 28, 2019 30 Comments

I had been with ATT for 15 years and they suddenly decided to dump their technology development to a vendor company (Tech Mahindra) the good news is, I still have a job. The bad news is TechM is known for providing low cost solutions so keeping my TC (100k southeast ) or getting a raise is a low probability. And from what I'm seeing on here that TC is already low. So naturally i want to find something else. I am currently a SDET actually a manager over a group of SDETs. I used to be a SWE years ago. . . But over the years my career has leaned more toward leading and driving results. Now I have to make the decision of what type of job to search for... I could start studying code again and start looking for SWE jobs but I'm not sure I want to go back into coding. I guess I'm just venting in this post so far but... is there any advice for job types that arent quite SWEs? What would be a good role to transition to these days? (First job change in 15 years is just weird)

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  • E*Trade / Finance cbEV72
    Someone has to manage these 🐈 in India. They’ll produce garbage output unsupervised from stateside. Did you explore possibilities to become outsourcing manager here?
    Dec 28, 2019 3
    • E*Trade / Finance cbEV72
      I worked with outsourcing teams and see how stateside managers underestimate the local footprint required to make the arrangements work. In my estimation you need 10-15% headcount onsite with your own people calling the shots. So I think outsourcing management experience is very valuable but it’s under appreciated in many companies.
      Dec 28, 2019
    • New / IT
      xirtaMehT

      New IT

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      Software Engineering Manager looking to shift to the creative.
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      OP
      100% agree as before I was outsourced I was managing offshore and onshore TechM SDETs so nownive just been "rebadged" to manage the same team just internally to techM. Not the worst outcome of cost cutting for sure. It's just made me look up and question if the role is right for me. But it's what I've been doing for several years so it's my best bet for applying elsewhere. I'd get torn apart in a coding interview
      Dec 28, 2019
  • Wayfair / Eng
    pgXY74

    Wayfair Eng

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    Imagine being someone who actually fills out the “previously” field and letting HR narrow down who might be.
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    American corporations who do this to save a buck should be charged with treason.
    Dec 28, 2019 10
    • New Merck
      Yeah, I replied to that in another comment thread - go the management route. As long as humans are doing something, they will need managers. Period.
      Now there are good and bad managers - focus on being a great manager for your team and deliver results and you're golden :)
      Jan 1
    • There's many ways these companies do this stuff. I've heard bunch of boeing folks played off bc their jobs got moved to another state.
      Nothing wrong with IT companies in india but its just the cost cutting that really sucks
      Jan 1
  • Microsoft HVYX32
    Couple of thoughts,

    depending on where you are 100k is pretty solid comp for the southeast with maybe the exception of Atlanta.

    The clock is ticking, You probably have 6 months before they roll in someone from india to do the work you are doing since that person will cost 30% what you do and outsourcing is about saving so they will drive 95% of the work offshore, this is the model AMD we can debate all the ways ot sucks but that is how it works
    Dec 28, 2019 3
    • New Merck
      You have experience managing teams of SDETs. Lean on that management experience, polish your resume. My advice would be to not get too caught up in leetcode. Definitely practice coding and system design to prove technical competence but invest in that management experience.
      As for getting outsourced, think of roles that are more difficult to outsource... So far, writing code is still a skilled job and hasn't been automated away. Managing teams of such people by definition is also safer than managing teams of QA/SDET.
      Jan 1
    • New / IT
      xirtaMehT

      New IT

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      Software Engineering Manager looking to shift to the creative.
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      OP
      Good points. Thanks!
      Jan 1
  • Microsoft Clippy2.0
    Leave. You don't want to be anywhere near this job or Tech Mahindra.
    Dec 28, 2019 0
  • BBDO hPes60
    Isn’t 100k pretty good for the southeast since it’s a low COL area. I highly doubt you would see a lot of high TC in the south east area. Usually you only see really high TC in the NW or NE because of COL.
    Dec 28, 2019 5
    • Microsoft iamletired
      Not sure which city you're in, but in Atlanta you should be able to get $150k. EMs can make $200k at some companies.
      Dec 28, 2019
    • New / IT
      xirtaMehT

      New IT

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      Software Engineering Manager looking to shift to the creative.
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      OP
      Good to know! I wouldn't be opposed to search in a big city like Atlanta. In known cost of living can shift slightly but my 100K TOTAL son when you do the math you only see like 60K of that in cash. So 150 seems like a more realistic compensation for 15+ years. That's encouraging. Thanks
      Dec 28, 2019
  • T-Mobile rain2020
    You are wise to get ready now. It takes a long time if you have not prepared for tech interviews for a while. Nowadays tech teams prefer managers who can roll up the sleeves / be hands on if needed. Take online courses and practice. Start networking. Many people have left att in recent layoffs. Where did your friends go? Tell them you are open...
    Dec 28, 2019 1
    • New / IT
      xirtaMehT

      New IT

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      Software Engineering Manager looking to shift to the creative.
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      OP
      Thanks. Yeah I plan to be over prepared when I start applying next year.
      Dec 28, 2019
  • Ironclad / Legal ⌐(ಠ۾ಠ)¬
    If the company starts to outsource, then they are cutting costs. You are probably the next in line to go. With management skills, you can go for software manager position, but you will most likely need leetcode for the interviews. If you want a better paying job, you should consider relocation.
    Dec 28, 2019 1
    • New / IT
      xirtaMehT

      New IT

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      Software Engineering Manager looking to shift to the creative.
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      OP
      Yeah I'm firing up leetcode this weekend. After so long in a management space your skillset gets locked into day to day business of the job ... not transferable skills. It's funny I literally hadn't searched for software manager positions yet. I was too busy looking at engineering jobs. Thanks for the suggestion. Oh and yeah relocating isn't off the menu.
      Dec 28, 2019

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