There is no product manager title at Microsoft (yet, AFAIK), but I see lots of Microsoft PM put product manager title on their LinkedIn profile, does that make sense to you? Is that okay with recruiters? It is feels like false information, and might cause a job discrepancy on the background check. Blind tax 270k #product #productmanager #pm
Mixed feelings on this. There are lots of cases where a role and the title don’t match. And there’s not like a rigorous level and role taxonomy to which everyone adheres. I see people translate their exact company title sometimes which seems silly and meaningless to anyone outside their company. Conversely I’ve seen people “invent” titles that aren’t complete lies but done to mislead which is shady but I mean people often play loose with facts on resumes. So I’d say if they are doing the work of a product manager that’s fine. PM at Microsoft may or may not as the role can vary so substantially across teams and it’s really on the people interviewing to ascertain the nature of their responsibilities. When it comes to employment verification it’s been awhile but I think they ask for exact title (or maybe not) but at that point you have the offer. I’ve had HireRight flag dumb as a shit things every time I change jobs so you deal with it and no one cares.
Yea, I just been through the HIreRight process (leaving Amazon in two days 🤑), I’m sure they will flag the title discrepancy
You're right that it's primarily Program Manager roles, but there are Product Managers at MSFT too.
I know but these product manager’s title in Msft is program manager, right?
Not always nope. I'm actively interviewing for a role that is "Product Manager". I've also interviewed for program manager roles at MSFT that are clearly actually product manager roles.
There is only one title here - some folks gotta do the product management I guess 😁
If you see someone from Msft put “PM” on their LinkedIn, it almost always means they’re a program manager trying to pass for Product hahah
Exactly, when people trying to bounce
I thought MSFT has a product manager role that's closer to product marketing elsewhere.
PMM? I need to double check that.
have heard from some sources all this will be corrected in next couple of months as MS is overhauling titles across disciplines. So there will be product managers, technical product managers, business program managers etc going ahead.
I heard this in more vague terms from a Microsoft recruiter, so glad to hear it confirmed as I received a pm offer
Adding a comment here now as a Microsoft PM. The company changed our titles last month from Program Manager to Product Manager. If you manage product/features like a classic Product Manager in the industry, that is now your title. If you manage customer relationships, customer communities, other functions like that then your title is still Program Manager. A lot of us have put Product Manager in our Linkedin profiles for a while because it's the industry-known term and now it's actually accurate internally.
What about your level? Will that change too?
Program managers advertise like that when trying to jump ship
This. Project managers are so bloody desperate all the time. Someone please give them attention.
Time to bounce. Msft PM isn’t paid well.