Performance Improvement Plan/PIP

Hey all, I have a question: I got PIP from my manager about certain things that she is not happy about. Do you have any recommendation how I should approach this? I believe she is right about some of the things that she mentioned, however, I think the things they added to the PIP, I believe some of them are not accurate and not well supported. I have been asking them when I feel I need their opinion/approval. They even added things that they approved or advised me to do, like going to conferences. They say those conferences were irrelevant to your job/assignments. (They approved it.) There are other things that they advised or did not advise, but I see that they added those to the list of my so-called incompetencies. Do you think that it is worthy to express those inaccurate things, object to these details? I feel that it is not going to matter about their feelings and attitude towards me, so even if I say that aloud, HR will probably not help me as well since they seem to be like whatever the manager says, they are ok with that. Additionally, what would be the best approach to handle? They say I have 30 days to implement it or take the severance packet(1 month cash and health benefit) and go. I feel like they do not like me and they note down of what I say in the meetings or share on Slack. Any recommendation? Do you think it is worthy to do what they say in the PIP? I feel like they are not going to let me work there even if I do my best. I accept that I should have been better at communicating with people and be more considerate about how people may feel/it might be perceived. I should have been more careful about sharing and talking less. It is a bad experience and it hurts, but it has been an eye-opening one. Thanks for your time. Warm regards. #engineering #software #swe

Investment Management Firm Harkr Dec 1, 2022

Take the severance and go. Once people have an impression it's hard to get rid of especially in a month.

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Investment Management Firm Harkr Dec 1, 2022

What's a performance lawyer?

Investment Management Firm Harkr Dec 1, 2022

Nice

Amazon jeffsghost Jan 28, 2023

PIPs are made to have someone fail and cover the liability. Taking the package means you quit. if you want sanity, take the cash. If you want to make things hard, take the PIP and they have to document. If you can extend the PIP even better since the current market is a gamble

Amazon StartFresh Feb 4, 2023

My manager noted down a lots of misrepresentation of how things happened and all pointing to my faults too when he put me in focus. I talked to HR a couple times but those don’t matter as it is your words vs your managers. HR won’t take your side as many of those would be considered as manager judgement calls. Unless your manager said or did something illegal and your have strong prove, lawyers won’t able to help too. Sorry op, hard truth that I learned. Btw when they give you the pip plan, is the start date counting immediately or after 5 days of consideration period?

Gopuff D0oGoofy Feb 6, 2023

The "PIP" is a lie. It is not a plan to improve your performance. It is a statement that the employer does not want you there anymore and that you should leave. The only possible benefit for the employee is that it might buy you time to find a new job, but in my opinion, that's not enough reason to go along with it. You need to think of this as being fired and you have to make a plan for financial survival into your next job. If you are not financially ready, you would be justified in riding it, but do get ready, because the end of your employment is coming. Remember this: no matter what is said or promised, the employer still has the right to release you at any time, whether or not the review period is complete. Even if you make it through to the end, you will have no say in your final evaluation. If they decide that you have not succeeded, you will simply be walked out. Whatever objection you offer will have no effect. That will leave you feeling even more humiliated and worthless than when the ordeal began. You don't want or need to have the humiliation of a PIP in your employment history or in your memory. During the review period, you will be required to do exactly what they say, as if you owe them something, but you do not. You have human flaws and you do not do everything right. Neither does your management. The only difference is that they hold the cards and you do not. If you think this is overstating, just consider how fair to you a PIP is to begin with. How did you even get here? If you had known you were not pleasing them and that the stakes were this high, you might have done differently. They did not tell you, though, and here you are. No matter what they say now, you were not capable of reading anybody's mind. You may have seen signs of trouble and heard some criticisms, but this does not mean this action is in any way fair. Always remember that this is where an employer has absolutely nothing to lose. They don't want you there, and they might as well squeeze you for all you're worth, knowing you will double your efforts to do a good job, which only serves their interests. At the end of it, they still get to reduce their payroll and let you go. The cost of your labor will be in the bargain basement for them, but for you, it will be a major expense. You are the only potential loser. But even if you somehow survive and go on, trust me: this will stay on your record. Your potential for promotion is gone. Hardly anyone in that company is going to take you seriously, and managers will be hard pressed to defend elevating you to anything different. Why take the risk of relying on an underperformer? They will be asked why they gave a promotion to you and not to somebody who's never had a PIP. Make sure that finding a new job is your number one priority now. You might hear the suggestion that you can beat the system with medical excuses or FMLA, and such possibilities might exist. Never lie to your employer, but don't be afraid to stretch the system to fit your needs as well. If family circumstances made you consider an FMLA leave recently but you decided not to so that you could work, now is the time to set other priorities. I wish there were better news to share. You at least still have your benefits coverage while you are there, and you will make a salary. But the price of your time is just too high to waste. Never forget that your employer is in 100% control of the entire situation. Even though financial hardship is not something I would wish on anyone, I recommend far less you suffering through the anxiety and damaged self-esteem that will inevitably result from this. You did not join that company so that you could go on a PIP. If all the above is TLDR, or you think I have missed considerations that support your employer, just keep this simple rule in mind at all times: never, no matter who it is with or on what level, consent to a relationship with someone who is willing to hurt you. This is just such a case. Your employer does not deserve your consent to being mistreated. They will tell you this is to help you, but it was they, not you, who put erroneous comments on your review, and you are not allowed to change them. That tells you with certainty that they are willing to hurt you. You will not regret standing up to them and voting with your feet. Do not allow this.

Stripe strpsx Feb 7, 2023

Super helpful to read

GoodRx MRri00 Mar 9, 2023

This is incredibly helpful! Thank you.

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cheR76 Feb 17, 2023

I had the same experience happened to me. Manager put me on a PIP. They were such chicken they didn't even call it PIP but a "support program" and listed a bunch of stuff that were org-level problems as my problem, and said it was a "holistic" judgement. It was very confusing and I should've known right there and then they wanted to get rid of me. And completely agreed with the record sentiment; I believe someone who had a lot of power at that company developed a very negative opinion of me, and nothing could change their mind. I was very naive and had my heart and soul poured into the job so I stuck through the process thinking I just had to show them what I got. They said everything was going very well until the last week of PIP when they found out my "code quality wasn't on par" and extended the PIP for another two weeks. I protested about them moving the goal post and asked how come it wasn't part of the evaluation to begin with. There was no communication after. Then I got fired. The only benefit was the severance. I don't think I would've gotten one if I quit. You could try to buy time and interview, but if I were to do it again I would've just quit for my own peace of mind and sanity. No need to go this far to get a few k. I'm still haunted by how dishonest the manager was and will remember for the rest of my career.

Chewy mlIe25 Apr 6, 2023

Shit dude

Chewy mlIe25 Apr 6, 2023

How are you doing now, did you find a job ?

Oracle DMyC14 Apr 19, 2023

A PIP is always unfair! And I fought mine and got an attorney. Fake a smile - when you walk after becoming their most valuable employee through the fake dog and pony show - guess who will be crying. Not you. It’ll be your managers.

Move AMAGod May 19, 2023

Is PIP like a document given to you and does HR has to be present during PIP ?

Meredith starlily Jan 8

How did attorney help?

Amazon thepip.fyi Jul 29, 2023

Chill for a month then go on medical leave

Amazon danny1986 Sep 10, 2023

Can you elaborate on how to manage the medical leave part

Turo idk, idc Feb 20

Your company isn’t allowed to fire you while you are on medical leave after being on PIP? It’s almost apparent that you are just taking leaves to prepare for interviews while the company is still paying you