For those curious about whether people in fb fear getting PIPed and what is the cause for stress in our bi annual performance cycles (yes, we have one every half), I took screenshot of a survey we ran on blind asking precisely that (why does the performance make you stressed?). As with all blind polls, this is very unscientific and probably suffers from a lot of biases, but that's the best we have... Note that most people are stressed because they are expecting a promotion or high rating. About 1 in 4 are worried about getting a low rating and half of these fear PIP (roughly 12% of respondents). #facebook
This has beena problem at Uber also. They tried fixing this in the last cycle. But lower rung managers seem to fixate quite a lot on docs.
I know a dude on my team whose promo got almost rejected because test coverage didn't show up in some of his diffs. I had to point out it was not because he didn't write tests, but because of a infra bug which prevented coverage from being captured from CI for over 4 months. Promo is moronic here, counting docs, counting diffs smh
Fuck are you serious. Feel like I joined the wrong company.
surprise surprise, FB employees don't overdramatize pips like the fb rejects on blind. Again, pips are rare. Other companies should run the same survey. Would be interesting to see results.
Yes, quite rare, just up to 10%.
you can find the percentages yourself. far from 10%. stop being dense.
How many peer reviews are required?
You need to get 3 peer feedbacks
You’re suggested to request from 2-3 peers. Depending on level/role in the team, I’ve seen >15 peer feedback requests on one person. You can decline, at least.
Quarter of employees worried about low ratings/PIP is not a healthy environment.
all relative. let's see what it is at other companies before judging. Vast majority aren't concerned, thats for sure.
Also for E3/E4 no promo = pip, so these 2 have some overlap.
Listen Facebookers there is no doubt that you guys move fast, pay the best in the industry and also work on very interesting problems at scale. No other company on the planet can match all the above criteria. However it comes with stress and hit in wlb. There is no free lunch anywhere. FB is only meant for people who are smart and can put in the hours plus work in a stress environment.
lol, is this what you tell yourself? Plenty of polls like the above in FB lounge show good wlb too. As I have experienced first hand for multiple years too. You seem to have cognitive dissonance to get over the lower TC which is fine.
I work 10-5 without an on call incident in many months. I do 10-3 on Fridays. But I do fear PSC more than I did at other companies.
Please don’t try to portray saying your culture is similar to google/LinkedIn etc. nobody is going to believe that.
Who is saying that? (And if anything, it's probably more similar to google than linkedin, many things were copied from therr)
you're right. We don't do layoffs in the middle of a pandemic like LinkedIn did.
I am a staff getting 580k at LinkedIn working on cutting edge stuff but the pace is not super fast. After cliff my sal will get to 420k. But I am happy with this pay for the wlb and good work. You can’t get everything at the same time. I need to take care of 2 young kids and I need my peace of mind and wlb
I'm happy to hear that. As I asked above, not sure i understand what you are responding to... I wasnt pitching fb in this post, just shared some poll results. There are both chill and unhappy people in most places. The share differ and there is also self selection bias at play due to brand - top performers that want to get compensated are more likely to pick fb and people looking for something more laid back might go elsewhere. My personal experience (which is a sample of 1 and therefore useless for generalizing) is that ive been having a relatively chill time in fb raising a few kids and have >1m TC at the same time. Is this anecdote helpful for anyone to make a decision where to go? No, and that's why the post is about the poll results of 650 people in the fb tribe and not my personal story...
OP - 1m TC 😲 what do you do at FB?
Anyone else think that 88% of respondents being stressed out to still be pretty high?
Fair - but that might be caused by the framing of the question which was "why are you stressed..." I do think its indicative of the fact that fb attracts overachievers that really want to "ace the test" every time. Personally I dont think that's healthy, but what can you do...
Well, if you are a e3 and e4 then you need a good rating so you don’t get fired. You are told to overachieve which can cause stress which some people have marked in the survey.
I am working on online data infra at LinkedIn and if I need to work on similar infra team at fb like ads or video infra there is no way I can lead a peaceful life without stress. I can always select some random backend team with good wlb after bootcamp. But my point is I cannot survive fb infra. So there is compromise in every choice you make. You cannot work on core cutting edge infra, get the best pay, best wlb, have a peaceful stress free life etc.
Is the wlb in video and ads infra that bad?
That is what my friends who work on those teams at fb tell me. So this is 1st hand info for me. Wlb might be great in some teams like fb groups or fb pages team etc. But I don’t want to join those teams
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Thanks for sharing. The essential difference between G and F is that in G you can write all your contributions since last promotion. In F you are a blank slate each half so you can only write about the half. Easy to see which one is more stressful but keeps you working hard and giving you rewards accordingly, and which one promotes tenureship.... and not meritocracy.
except you still have 6 month reviews at G with averaged ratings at the end. It's the same shit. A few non EEs gets you out of promo contention.
It's annual now. The tenure ship issue will get worse.