Expecting an offer for L5. 1. Does Pinterest adjust offers based on location? How does that work with PinFlex? 2. How do refreshers work? Can I expect to get ~160K refresh every year? 3. What kind of TC can I expect for a backend role with a competing offer of 450K? 4. How is the culture and morale after CF and missed earnings? TC: 390K YOE: 6
Why should people answer your questions without you providing more context? Context, over communication is commonly missing in junior engineers.
What context do you need? Sorry i should have said I'm expecting an offer but thought it was obvious.
I thought you got an offer going by the post title. But you didn’t get one. Come back after you have the numbers
I’m getting one. I want to know the answer to (1) and others to determine negotiating strategy
What level at microsoft?
1. Yes. There are a couple tiers of cities. Expect 15% reduction in tc outside of tier 1. 2. Uncertain on refreshers because policy has changed and we haven’t finished the cycle yet. I’m hoping 160 sounds right but I think it depends on some other unknown factors. 3. We have strange vesting now with initial grant vesting 50% in year 1. With sign on you may be able to get that averaged over 3-4 years. 4. People are pissed about CF but I’m still happy as it’s one of the best remote / flexible options. Missed earnings mean nothing. Our stock is right back where it was a few weeks ago. It’s up 38% over the last year.
What is CF?
1. Yes. There are three pay zones based on HCOL, MCOL, LCOL. Pinflex just means that you don’t need to work in office. Whether you can start at a HCOL city to get a high offer, then move to a LCOL later, is something only HR can tell you if it’s gonna be a problem. 2. Refreshers are not guaranteed, unlike Meta and other companies for example. Once you get a grant, it vests over 3 years equally. You get refreshers based on performance and based on your comp relative to your band 3. 400k/yr averaged over 3 years. Your first year is going to be high because of 50% vest. The following years would need healthy refreshers to bring it up 4. A good amount of people left because of CF. A good chunk are waiting for this year’s performance evaluation happening on March to see how their raises and refreshers look like. If it’s not good enough, another chunk might leave. Morale is definitely low because of CF and management looking aimless. The data is based on 2 tenured friends at Pinterest
What's CF?
Career framework… it’s the name HR gave to the comp and level changes in Pinterest.
Post cf comp is very low, you will not get 450k for senior. Morale is also very low. Refreshers are much lower, senior at hcol will be lower than 100k. Take the competing offer.
So there’s no guaranteed refresh like at Meta or Google or Airbnb?
Why is the morale role at Pinterest? What's the trend of the refreshers this year?
What's a general range of L6 refreshers? So do they just have really high TC first year and then significant drop after?
Is L5 Senior?
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