I don't know any anti vaxxers personally, so I'm using blind to have a conversation. What do you think about data like this? Do find the vaccine riskier than covid itself? Not trying to point figers, I'm just open for a discussion. With the risk of another lockdown, now is more than ever critical to talk about it
When new vaccines are released, the unknown side effects, if any, show up within two months of vaccination. This history goes back to at least the 1960s with the oral polio vaccine and examples continue through today. Stop worrying about long term side effects. Researchers have been studying and working with mRNA vaccines for decades. mRNA vaccines have been studied before for influenza, Zika and rabies. Beyond vaccines, cancer research has used mRNA to trigger the immune system to target specific cancer cells.
Can you link to a FDA approved mRNA drug or vaccine? There aren’t any. Yes, mRNA has been studied for decades but for certain reasons it never got approved. This means there was never a phase 4 clinical trial on mRNA. Regarding the 2 month period in which the most side effects show up in vaccines, that is true. But all other vaccines are based on different technologies, like inactivated virus and protein particle. Assuming that mRNA will have the same 2 month period is not logically sound to me, especially since there were be prior mRNA vaccines released before, to back this assumption.
studied != used
I’m not an “anti-vaxxer”, but I am waiting on getting it until the “beta test” is over, so to speak. Couple things that spring to mind. How are these cases being recorded? Are they actually, genuinely Covid? Or is it like how it was in the beginning of the pandemic where everything under the sun was classified as Covid? I’m guessing these aren’t delta specific cases? Because recent data coming out suggests that the vaccine doesn’t do much at all to protect from that. Are these hospitalizations? How serious/severe? Over 33% of people who get Covid will have zero symptoms and won’t be affected in any way, but they’ll still be counted as a “case” if they are tested for it. “Cases” are a largely useless metric, IMO. Deaths and hospitalizations are more important. When are these cases being recorded from? Are they only new cases in the last couple weeks? How far back does it go? And how many cases are there? All I see in the pic are percentages. 96% of 10 cases and I think, “who cares?” There’s just lots of questions around this whole pandemic and around the rhetoric surrounding the vaccines. It raises suspicion in me. I’ll wait a bit and see how it goes.
Just a point regarding beta test. Vaccine has already been given to global population. That is way more than any vaccine that goes through testing. I guess we have significant data on how safe vaccines are.
It does not have long term test. There is no data for how the vaccine works after 1 year. As an engineer, if it is not tested, then it does not work
Why risk an experimental vaccine that won't prevent catching it, spreading it and still require you to wear masks and be in lockdown whenever a politican decides? The only thing the vaccine does is prevent serious outcomes and if you're young and healthy, you're almost 100% guaranteed not to have a serious outcome anyway.
There are many 20s 30s died because of covid
How many have died from the vaccine? No one that I know of. How many died from Covid? I know a few. I know many more who say their lungs feel like crap even after "recovering" But that doesn't show up in the stats.
It's funny that you can rely on coming on Blind to poll all the anti-vaxxers because they are all here.
Lol, you are looking just at immediate data without any clue or insight into the future. Don’t know long term effects of these vaccines. And, with these half baked vaccine rollouts, all we are doing is helping to create even stronger mutations. We will soon be successful in creating a very deadly, vaccine resistant, airborne and highly contagious version of covid at this rate.
True but I know the immediate effects of covid. A lot riskier than the vaccine. Good luck with your gamble.
What is this 'long term effects' fantasy ? 57 vaccines since 1960, side effects show up in 2 months max. There's no logic in this 'oh, let's give it a year' argument
There're reports that COVID causes irreversible brain damage. Just saying
Watching CNN causes irreversible brain damage. Just saying.
Dude... stop with the CNN shit. this has nothing to do with bullshit media channels like that. These are just facts based on research and conveyed by scientists. As an engineer, you should at least have some respect for that
I get most vaccines, but I’m not planning on getting the covid vaccine because I already survived covid. Unnecessary risk for virtually no gain.
Pfizer vaccine is expected to get full approval from FDA by labor day. I wonder how many anti-vaxxers who have been trotting out that argument will actually get the vaccine then. I still think it will be very few of that particular subset will.
I was waiting for this as I have an allergic immune condition but I learned today that Big Pharma have immunity until 2024 from all and any accountability for their products even when approved. If they f*cl you up it's tough luck apparently.
^ exactly. Money.
I took your advice and googled this. Almost all the sources consider a "breakthrough" as a person who tests positive after 2 weeks of the 2nd dose. This is on par with the original instructions of the vaccines. Not sure what were you trying to say?
I don't know what you're trying to accomplish by this? even with the new definition, you're way more likely to avoid hospitalizations if you're infected vs if you get infected unvaccinated. And yeah they have changed the definition and it is explained why here: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html They also shared the data from before the change and yet again, it proves that the vaccines are more than 90% effective.
Fake news
Are you referring to this specific source or all of them? this data has been published by multiple sources including CDC. If think it's fake, who do you think benefits from that?
Pfizer and other health care companies benefit from fake news